2020 Minor League Thread

sportscoach · Oct 6, 2020

petes999 said:
So I thought I would just look to see who the Indians selected for Arizona to see who is included and who is not according to FanGraph top 54 prospects to see if there is any insights…. The names on list are from FanGraph (not Arizona list).

Catchers

Bo Naylor CLE C
9
45+
2022
Andres Melendez CLE C R
45
40
2022
Bryan Lavastida CLE C A
48
35+
2022

Not much to see here as we know we don’t have many near ready prospects (2-3 years out). The other invitee is Yainer Diaz has contact issues per FanGraph and would appear on some people’s near top-50 list.

Outfielders

This is probably the most interesting as there were significant additions and names left off.

George Valera CLE CF
77
2
50
2022
Petey Halpin CLE CF
27
40+
2025
Steven Kwan CLE CF A+
50
35+
2022
Daniel Johnson CLE RF MLB
7
45+
2020
Alexfri Planez CLE RF R
29
40
2024
Will Benson CLE RF A+
40
40
2022
Johnathan Rodriguez CLE RF A-
53
35+
2023

Johnson was left off due to being on the 40 man already. Planez was probably left off due to being a Valenzuela kid unable to get out for now (but other Valenzuela kids are in Arizona). They added Will Brennan and Ka’ai Tom who were not on the Lake County Taxi Squad for a reason … Yet, leaving off Rodriquez and Holmes says a lot when Indians need outfields coming up the system (but they aren’t highly thought of).

Infielders

Jhonkensy Noel CLE 1B R
51
35+
2022
Richard Palacios CLE 2B A+
32
40
2022
Nolan Jones CLE 3B
48
1
50
2021
Gabriel Rodriguez CLE 3B R
21
40+
2023
Victor Nova CLE 3B R
52
35+
2023
Aaron Bracho CLE LF
20
40+
2024
Tyler Freeman CLE SS 89
4
50
2022
Brayan Rocchio CLE SS A- 105
5
50
2022
Gabriel Arias CLE SS
16
40+
2021
Angel Martinez CLE SS R
18
40+
2023
Junior Sanquintin CLE SS R
19
40+
2023
Carson Tucker CLE SS
22
40+
2025
Jose Tena CLE SS R
26
40+
2024
Owen Miller CLE SS
31
40
2021
Jose Fermin CLE SS
33
40
2023
Milan Tolentino CLE SS
37
40
2025
Yordys Valdes CLE SS R
38
40
2024
Ernie Clement CLE SS
44
40
2020

The only significant person left off other than Bradley being on the 40 man is Nova (being 52nd) and too many infielders already. Note, Jones is added to the list as he is not yet on the 40-man. Also note the Valenzuela kids are invited here (so why is Planez off?). A few extras were added in Lara, Naranjo and Pestrano.

Pitchers

Sam Hentges CLE LHP AA
12
45
2021
Joey Cantillo CLE LHP
14
45
2022
Logan Allen CLE LHP MLB
15
45
2020
Logan Allen CLE LHP
25
40+
2024
Scott Moss CLE LHP AAA
28
40+
2020
Kyle Nelson CLE LHP MLB
36
40
2020
Adam Scott CLE LHP AA
43
40
2022
Triston McKenzie CLE RHP MLB 78
3
50
2020
James Karinchak CLE RHP MLB 108
6
50
2020
Daniel Espino CLE RHP
8
45+
2022
Lenny Torres CLE RHP A-
10
45
2023
Luis Oviedo CLE RHP
11
45
2022
Ethan Hankins CLE RHP
13
45
2023
Emmanuel Clase CLE RHP MLB
17
40+
2020
Carlos Vargas CLE RHP A-
23
40+
2023
Tanner Burns CLE RHP
24
40+
2024
Nick Sandlin CLE RHP
30
40
2020
Eli Morgan CLE RHP
35
40
2021
Cody Morris CLE RHP A+
39
40
2022
Hunter Gaddis CLE RHP A-
41
40
2023
Jean Carlos Mejia CLE RHP A+
42
40
2020
Cam Hill CLE RHP MLB
46
35+
2020
Jared Robinson CLE RHP AAA
47
35+
2020
Nick Mikolajchak CLE RHP A-
49
35+
2023

Here the list seems to have some common themes…. The relief pitchers in Lake County taxi squad were not added (I assume they got their pitch count for year up already) in Gose, Sandlin and Scott, while starters of Morgan Hankins and Espino (sim games only) were brought down to Arizona too. Other high-level relievers who could have been added like Martinez, Dowdy, Siri and Robinson (at #47) were left off. Some additions to Arizona were Herrin, Curry, McCarthy (SP), McCarty, Marman, Janczak and Mikolajchak (at #49).

Thus, overall, you could have taken FanGraph top 52 list and got relatively close to the Arizona list … not bad for comparing how Indians evaluate talent and FanGraphs … especially in deep system.

Bracho was listed in left field?

petes999 · Oct 6, 2020

sportscoach said:
Bracho was listed in left field?

I know, I was going to mention that is what he is listed in per FanGraph (where I copied lists from) but I listed him with the infielders per Indians Arizona roster .. forgot to highlight it (but kept it as is knowing it was a discussion point).

daddywags · Oct 6, 2020

petes999 said:
So I thought I would just look to see who the Indians selected for Arizona to see who is included and who is not according to FanGraph top 54 prospects to see if there is any insights…. The names on list are from FanGraph (not Arizona list).

Catchers

Bo Naylor CLE C
9
45+
2022
Andres Melendez CLE C R
45
40
2022
Bryan Lavastida CLE C A
48
35+
2022

Not much to see here as we know we don’t have many near ready prospects (2-3 years out). The other invitee is Yainer Diaz has contact issues per FanGraph and would appear on some people’s near top-50 list.

Outfielders

This is probably the most interesting as there were significant additions and names left off.

George Valera CLE CF
77
2
50
2022
Petey Halpin CLE CF
27
40+
2025
Steven Kwan CLE CF A+
50
35+
2022
Daniel Johnson CLE RF MLB
7
45+
2020
Alexfri Planez CLE RF R
29
40
2024
Will Benson CLE RF A+
40
40
2022
Johnathan Rodriguez CLE RF A-
53
35+
2023

Johnson was left off due to being on the 40 man already. Planez was probably left off due to being a Valenzuela kid unable to get out for now (but other Valenzuela kids are in Arizona). They added Will Brennan and Ka’ai Tom who were not on the Lake County Taxi Squad for a reason … Yet, leaving off Rodriquez and Holmes says a lot when Indians need outfields coming up the system (but they aren’t highly thought of).

Infielders

Jhonkensy Noel CLE 1B R
51
35+
2022
Richard Palacios CLE 2B A+
32
40
2022
Nolan Jones CLE 3B
48
1
50
2021
Gabriel Rodriguez CLE 3B R
21
40+
2023
Victor Nova CLE 3B R
52
35+
2023
Aaron Bracho CLE LF
20
40+
2024
Tyler Freeman CLE SS 89
4
50
2022
Brayan Rocchio CLE SS A- 105
5
50
2022
Gabriel Arias CLE SS
16
40+
2021
Angel Martinez CLE SS R
18
40+
2023
Junior Sanquintin CLE SS R
19
40+
2023
Carson Tucker CLE SS
22
40+
2025
Jose Tena CLE SS R
26
40+
2024
Owen Miller CLE SS
31
40
2021
Jose Fermin CLE SS
33
40
2023
Milan Tolentino CLE SS
37
40
2025
Yordys Valdes CLE SS R
38
40
2024
Ernie Clement CLE SS
44
40
2020

The only significant person left off other than Bradley being on the 40 man is Nova (being 52nd) and too many infielders already. Note, Jones is added to the list as he is not yet on the 40-man. Also note the Valenzuela kids are invited here (so why is Planez off?). A few extras were added in Lara, Naranjo and Pestrano.

Pitchers

Sam Hentges CLE LHP AA
12
45
2021
Joey Cantillo CLE LHP
14
45
2022
Logan Allen CLE LHP MLB
15
45
2020
Logan Allen CLE LHP
25
40+
2024
Scott Moss CLE LHP AAA
28
40+
2020
Kyle Nelson CLE LHP MLB
36
40
2020
Adam Scott CLE LHP AA
43
40
2022
Triston McKenzie CLE RHP MLB 78
3
50
2020
James Karinchak CLE RHP MLB 108
6
50
2020
Daniel Espino CLE RHP
8
45+
2022
Lenny Torres CLE RHP A-
10
45
2023
Luis Oviedo CLE RHP
11
45
2022
Ethan Hankins CLE RHP
13
45
2023
Emmanuel Clase CLE RHP MLB
17
40+
2020
Carlos Vargas CLE RHP A-
23
40+
2023
Tanner Burns CLE RHP
24
40+
2024
Nick Sandlin CLE RHP
30
40
2020
Eli Morgan CLE RHP
35
40
2021
Cody Morris CLE RHP A+
39
40
2022
Hunter Gaddis CLE RHP A-
41
40
2023
Jean Carlos Mejia CLE RHP A+
42
40
2020
Cam Hill CLE RHP MLB
46
35+
2020
Jared Robinson CLE RHP AAA
47
35+
2020
Nick Mikolajchak CLE RHP A-
49
35+
2023

Here the list seems to have some common themes…. The relief pitchers in Lake County taxi squad were not added (I assume they got their pitch count for year up already) in Gose, Sandlin and Scott, while starters of Morgan Hankins and Espino (sim games only) were brought down to Arizona too. Other high-level relievers who could have been added like Martinez, Dowdy, Siri and Robinson (at #47) were left off. Some additions to Arizona were Herrin, Curry, McCarthy (SP), McCarty, Marman, Janczak and Mikolajchak (at #49).

Thus, overall, you could have taken FanGraph top 52 list and got relatively close to the Arizona list … not bad for comparing how Indians evaluate talent and FanGraphs … especially in deep system.

Thanks for doing this, however, it's unclear to me how to read these lists and reconcile them with the comments. When you say someone is included or not included and I see them on the list I really don't know what the list is or exactly which players are in Arizona.

petes999 · Oct 6, 2020

daddywags said:
Thanks for doing this, however, it's unclear to me how to read these lists and reconcile them with the comments. When you say someone is included or not included and I see them on the list I really don't know what the list is or exactly which players are in Arizona.

Sorry ... used Fangraph list just to show in last 3 columns their top 100 mlb overall rank, fangraph indian prospect rank and eta ... I then compared it (in the response) to Arizona list (on my ipad) to get non-top 53 ranked players like Diaz and Lara added and players left off Arizona list like taxi squad relievers, Palanz and Nova....

Usually the lists weren't that different till I got to pitchers (at the end) as we have many prospects on 40 man not allowed in Arizona like Mejia, Nelson, Hentges, McK... and thus got confusing. Sorry for that as i did say right before catcher comoarison .... "The names on list are from FanGraph (not Arizona list)."

sportscoach · Oct 6, 2020

petes999 said:
I know, I was going to mention that is what he is listed in per FanGraph (where I copied lists from) but I listed him with the infielders per Indians Arizona roster .. forgot to highlight it (but kept it as is knowing it was a discussion point).

Part of me is thinking thats an error on their part. I mean it happens that way.

Now that list of INFs is huge, some of them eventually will have to move to the OF. Who would you say are the weaker fielders of the bunch, but have decent to good speed?

daddywags · Oct 6, 2020

petes999 said:
Sorry ... used Fangraph list just to show in last 3 columns their top 100 mlb overall rank, fangraph indian prospect rank and eta ... I then compared it (in the response) to Arizona list (on my ipad) to get non-top 53 ranked players like Diaz and Lara added and players left off Arizona list like taxi squad relievers, Palanz and Nova....

Usually the lists weren't that different till I got to pitchers (at the end) as we have many prospects on 40 man not allowed in Arizona like Mejia, Nelson, Hentges, McK... and thus got confusing. Sorry for that as i did say right before catcher comoarison .... "The names on list are from FanGraph (not Arizona list)."

Thanks!

xmasbuck · Oct 6, 2020

daddywags said:
Thanks!

hey daddywags. driving around yday. pulled up to a traffic light behind a car. license plate on the car was "MRS WAGS" - is she yours?

daddywags · Oct 6, 2020

xmasbuck said:
hey daddywags. driving around yday. pulled up to a traffic light behind a car. license plate on the car was "MRS WAGS" - is she yours?

Haha! Nope. But whoever she is I bet she has good taste!

Huber. · Oct 23, 2020

I didn't even know this was a thing

sportscoach · Oct 23, 2020

Huber. said:
I didn't even know this was a thing

I thought someone posted something a few weeks back about them having a fall league in October.

EdMonix11 · Oct 23, 2020

Heard the Indians pitching has been so dominant that there have been multiple times where certain outfielders go the entire game without touching the ball.

Clase has pitched twice now....

dkbldev · Oct 23, 2020

EdMonix11 said:
Heard the Indians pitching has been so dominant that there have been multiple times where certain outfielders go the entire game without touching the ball.

Clase has pitched twice now....

How has he looked?

EdMonix11 · Oct 23, 2020

dkbldev said:
How has he looked?

4 K, 1 hit, 1 walk in 2 Innings of work

Heard the command isn't there but he's still hitting triple digits

xmasbuck · Oct 23, 2020

dkbldev said:
How has he looked?

can he hit? can he pee clean?
-
btw re the Arizona league and re Nolan Jones - the only place jones hasn't hit was in the zone league last season - struck out in 45% of his ABs and walks were down a hair - also, iirc he hurt his thumb which ended his season there - wonder if the thumb is good and offense was an aberration - and if the fo is concerned about either

sportscoach · Oct 23, 2020

EdMonix11 said:
4 K, 1 hit, 1 walk in 2 Innings of work

Heard the command isn't there but he's still hitting triple digits

Where are the stats at? It be nice to see them

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Bo Naylor	CLE	C		9	45+	2022
Andres Melendez	CLE	C	R	45	40	2022
Bryan Lavastida	CLE	C	A	48	35+	2022

George Valera	CLE	CF		77	2	50	2022
Petey Halpin	CLE	CF			27	40+	2025
Steven Kwan	CLE	CF	A+		50	35+	2022
Daniel Johnson	CLE	RF	MLB		7	45+	2020
Alexfri Planez	CLE	RF	R		29	40	2024
Will Benson	CLE	RF	A+		40	40	2022
Johnathan Rodriguez	CLE	RF	A-		53	35+	2023

Jhonkensy Noel	CLE	1B	R		51	35+	2022
Richard Palacios	CLE	2B	A+		32	40	2022
Nolan Jones	CLE	3B		48	1	50	2021
Gabriel Rodriguez	CLE	3B	R		21	40+	2023
Victor Nova	CLE	3B	R		52	35+	2023
Aaron Bracho	CLE	LF			20	40+	2024
Tyler Freeman	CLE	SS		89	4	50	2022
Brayan Rocchio	CLE	SS	A-	105	5	50	2022
Gabriel Arias	CLE	SS			16	40+	2021
Angel Martinez	CLE	SS	R		18	40+	2023
Junior Sanquintin	CLE	SS	R		19	40+	2023
Carson Tucker	CLE	SS			22	40+	2025
Jose Tena	CLE	SS	R		26	40+	2024
Owen Miller	CLE	SS			31	40	2021
Jose Fermin	CLE	SS			33	40	2023
Milan Tolentino	CLE	SS			37	40	2025
Yordys Valdes	CLE	SS	R		38	40	2024
Ernie Clement	CLE	SS			44	40	2020

Sam Hentges	CLE	LHP	AA		12	45	2021
Joey Cantillo	CLE	LHP			14	45	2022
Logan Allen	CLE	LHP	MLB		15	45	2020
Logan Allen	CLE	LHP			25	40+	2024
Scott Moss	CLE	LHP	AAA		28	40+	2020
Kyle Nelson	CLE	LHP	MLB		36	40	2020
Adam Scott	CLE	LHP	AA		43	40	2022
Triston McKenzie	CLE	RHP	MLB	78	3	50	2020
James Karinchak	CLE	RHP	MLB	108	6	50	2020
Daniel Espino	CLE	RHP			8	45+	2022
Lenny Torres	CLE	RHP	A-		10	45	2023
Luis Oviedo	CLE	RHP			11	45	2022
Ethan Hankins	CLE	RHP			13	45	2023
Emmanuel Clase	CLE	RHP	MLB		17	40+	2020
Carlos Vargas	CLE	RHP	A-		23	40+	2023
Tanner Burns	CLE	RHP			24	40+	2024
Nick Sandlin	CLE	RHP			30	40	2020
Eli Morgan	CLE	RHP			35	40	2021
Cody Morris	CLE	RHP	A+		39	40	2022
Hunter Gaddis	CLE	RHP	A-		41	40	2023
Jean Carlos Mejia	CLE	RHP	A+		42	40	2020
Cam Hill	CLE	RHP	MLB		46	35+	2020
Jared Robinson	CLE	RHP	AAA		47	35+	2020
Nick Mikolajchak	CLE	RHP	A-		49	35+	2023