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Edwards is the best player as a freshman on a bad team and literally every game plan is designed to try and stop him.

Izzo is one of the best coaches in America. He was throwing everything he could at Edwards in the 2nd half to slow him down.

He ends with 37 points, 6 rebounds, 4 steals, 3 blocks, and 2 assists. Oh and 7/16 from 3 with a perfect 8-8 from the free throw line.



But please, tell me again why he’s not the #1 pick.
He's shooting 40 percent from the field. 35 percent from 3. He's getting bailed out with Free Throw calls which rookies don't get in the NBA. He's just not a good scorer right now. Certainly not a scorer worthy of the number 1 pick. Blame the team. Blame the situation. But he's not a high level scorer. He's a chucker getting bailed out by free throws.
 
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Wesson has worked on that three for three seasons. Went from 28% to current 41%...Carey is still a freshman.. I do like Kaleb, but Carey is having a good start..

I also think others will show up as the season goes on. I would prefer a wing, but
 

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What the fuck is wrong with Halliburton's shot though? that's an issue.

Any one here likes Scottie Lewis?
 

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What the fuck is wrong with Halliburton's shot though? that's an issue.

Any one here likes Scottie Lewis?
I know. Weird, right? Wouldn't be surprised if his career off-the-dribble shooting percentage (not just 3's, but like every jumpshot outside 10 feet) is in the 10-20% range.

Florida's a team to watch for sure with Lewis, Nembhard, and Blackshear. Mann has sucked so far but I know some people consider him a serious prospect too. Probably all will be in my top-60 if they declare, but hard to tell where exactly.
 

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I know. Weird, right? Wouldn't be surprised if his career off-the-dribble shooting percentage (not just 3's, but like every jumpshot outside 10 feet) is in the 10-20% range.

Florida's a team to watch for sure with Lewis, Nembhard, and Blackshear. Mann has sucked so far but I know some people consider him a serious prospect too. Probably all will be in my top-60 if they declare, but hard to tell where exactly.
Never seen a pro with such shot. It scares me. It's unfixable?

Lewis is a nice defensive prospect. More than nice actually. I think he is going to trend up offensively eventually.
 

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Never seen a pro with such shot. It scares me. It's unfixable?

Lewis is a nice defensive prospect. More than nice actually. I think he is going to trend up offensively eventually.
Hope so. Needs to shoot or pass to be serviceable at 6'5".

Encouraging thing about Haliburton is his set shot does typically connect at a decent rate. It's not like he has no touch. But yeah, is there a place for an old man Shaun Livingston type in the modern NBA? And if so, is that player worth a lottery pick? I dunno.
 

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Teske's a fun prospect. His defensive numbers are off the charts this season. Wonder why Michigan's not ranked.
 

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Read through the last few pages and am incredibly disappointed this Paul Reed bandwagon is still a party of 1.

8 game stats:

15.3 PTS, 10.4 REB, 3.5 BLK, 1.9 AST, 1.6 STL.....61.2% from the floor, 42.3% from 3, 75% from the line

Per 100:

28 PTS, 19 REB (5.1 OREB), 6.4 BLK, 3.4 AST, 3.0 STL

He's had 4 blocks or more in 4 straight games and is currently a 10+ DBPM player.

He's currently pacing as a top 20 overall player (since possession data), in all 3 metrics my stuff spits out.

Again, it is incredibly early here but his production is off the charts......and his games against power 5 schools he has looked like the best player on the floor.

Analytically, he is one of the darlings of the first quarter of the college season......and he has an NBA frame and translatable skills.
 

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Decided to delete that message
 
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Read through the last few pages and am incredibly disappointed this Paul Reed bandwagon is still a party of 1.

8 game stats:

15.3 PTS, 10.4 REB, 3.5 BLK, 1.9 AST, 1.6 STL.....61.2% from the floor, 42.3% from 3, 75% from the line

Per 100:

28 PTS, 19 REB (5.1 OREB), 6.4 BLK, 3.4 AST, 3.0 STL

He's had 4 blocks or more in 4 straight games and is currently a 10+ DBPM player.

He's currently pacing as a top 20 overall player (since possession data), in all 3 metrics my stuff spits out.

Again, it is incredibly early here but his production is off the charts......and his games against power 5 schools he has looked like the best player on the floor.

Analytically, he is one of the darlings of the first quarter of the college season......and he has an NBA frame and translatable skills.
I've been watching him since the last time you brought him up. What an intriguing player. The defense is salivating, and he looks like the perfect power forward for the modern game, just the complete profile. Plus like you said back then, I can see how he will be able to play center times, or a big wing.

What is his ceiling I wonder? Because if he can build on his ball handling and creation, we are approaching really high levels.

Btw you brought up the question of who is a comparable, Ive been thinking Jerami Grant ever since. Who is a very underrated player imo, he brings too many good things to the floor. His rebounding isn't as good though (and same kind of limited dribbling situation), which is even scarier for the prospects of what Paul Reed could be if everything transitions.
 

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I've been watching him since the last time you brought him up. What an intriguing player. The defense is salivating, and he looks like the perfect power forward for the modern game, just the complete profile. Plus like you said back then, I can see how he will be able to play center times, or a big wing.

What is his ceiling I wonder? Because if he can build on his ball handling and creation, we are approaching really high levels.

Btw you brought up the question of who is a comparable, Ive been thinking Jerami Grant ever since. Who is a very underrated player imo, he brings too many good things to the floor. His rebounding isn't as good though (and same kind of limited dribbling situation), which is even scarier for the prospects of what Paul Reed could be if everything transitions.
I think his offensive ceiling is limited a bit by his subpar free throw rate. There aren't many impactful NBA players on offense who shoot so few FT per FGA. Some but not many.

I honestly think the best comp is like an Al Horford type. Reed isn't an insane athlete but he's smart, he's long, he has great timing and vertical control, can stretch the floor and has shown enough handle wiggle to think he can start to draw some more fouls.
 

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I think his offensive ceiling is limited a bit by his subpar free throw rate. There aren't many impactful NBA players on offense who shoot so few FT per FGA. Some but not many.

I honestly think the best comp is like an Al Horford type. Reed isn't an insane athlete but he's smart, he's long, he has great timing and vertical control, can stretch the floor and has shown enough handle wiggle to think he can start to draw some more fouls.
Low assist rate, low free throw rate, low 3-point rate is the unhappy triad of offensive ceiling. Do think he'll be a stud defensively though, and good enough on offense that he won't get in the way of a team's real stars.
 

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Low assist rate, low free throw rate, low 3-point rate is the unhappy triad of offensive ceiling. Do think he'll be a stud defensively though, and good enough on offense that he won't get in the way of a team's real stars.
I think the FTR thing is really tough to talk yourself in to, until he sees a swing this year.....but there has been movement on his possession based 3PT and AST numbers.

He has to sustain it but his AST rate was flat from his Frosh/Soph years but it has bumped 70% from 2 to 3.4 per 100. So he's at least moved in to the below average category (instead of not good), if he can hang on there. I think he's certainly a capable team passer and a good screener.

His 3PA per 100 is low.....but it is up from 2.1 last year, to 3.2 per 100 this. You'd love to see it more in the 5-7 range but I know it's tougher for him to hunt attempts with Moore, Jacobs and Coleman-Lands shooting so many 3's. I think it is more a result of them having shooting and valuing Reed more as an offensive rebounder.....just given personnel.

I'm not real bullish on his offense, other than his combination of spacing and offensive rebounding......but I do think he's at least shown enough for him to have some upside there, in addition to his defense.
 

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I think the FTR thing is really tough to talk yourself in to, until he sees a swing this year.....but there has been movement on his possession based 3PT and AST numbers.

He has to sustain it but his AST rate was flat from his Frosh/Soph years but it has bumped 70% from 2 to 3.4 per 100. So he's at least moved in to the below average category (instead of not good), if he can hang on there. I think he's certainly a capable team passer and a good screener.

His 3PA per 100 is low.....but it is up from 2.1 last year, to 3.2 per 100 this. You'd love to see it more in the 5-7 range but I know it's tougher for him to hunt attempts with Moore, Jacobs and Coleman-Lands shooting so many 3's. I think it is more a result of them having shooting and valuing Reed more as an offensive rebounder.....just given personnel.

I'm not real bullish on his offense, other than his combination of spacing and offensive rebounding......but I do think he's at least shown enough for him to have some upside there, in addition to his defense.
To me, those improvements in assist rate and 3-point rate (assuming the hold up) move him out of the "might bust because he doesn't fit offensively" category and into the "should be a totally respectable roleplayer offensively" category. I guess that could be considered "some upside," but in terms of ceiling...not super exciting. If he ends up being a great pick, it'll probably be because he hits his ceiling defensively, not because he becomes a special offensive player.
 

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(per-100 stats)

Player A (6'9" 245 lbs): 36.0 points (.62/.00/.77 shooting), 18.1 boards, 1.3 assists, 2.2 steals, 5.8 blocks, 2.7 turnovers, 4.9 fouls

Player B (6'9" 245 lbs): 31.3 points (.66/.00/.73 shooting), 18.9 boards, 1.3 assists, 1.5 steals, 4.5 blocks, 2.0 turnovers, 4.5 fouls

Not sure I've ever seen two prospects in the same class with such similar statistical profiles.

Player A: Onyeka Okongwu

Player B: Trayce Jackson-Davis
 

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