2020 NBA Draft

[Los216]

Final board, having ingested combine data and a last-minute aggregate mock from Hoopshype. Again, ~50% stats, ~40% scout consensus, ~10% gut

Tier 1
1. LaMelo Ball
2. Tyrese Haliburton

Tier 2
3. Anthony Edwards
4. Devin Vassell
5. Killian Hayes
6. James Wiseman
7. Onyeka Okongwu
8. Aleksej Pokusevski

Tier 3
9. Josh Green
10. RJ Hampton
11. Deni Avdija
12. Xavier Tillman
13. Tre Jones
14. Vernon Carey
15. Nate Hinton
16. Isaac Okoro
17. Patrick Williams

Tier 4
18. Trevelin Queen
19. Theo Maledon
20. Malachi Flynn
21. Nico Mannion
22. Reggie Perry
23. Desmond Bane
24. Paul Reed
25. Lamine Diane
26. Kira Lewis
27. Jalen Smith
28. Nathan Knight
29. CJ Elleby
30. Devon Dotson
31. Marko Simonovic
32. Mason Jones
33. Saddiq Bey
34. Obi Toppin

Tier 5
35. Paul Eboua
36. Kaleb Wesson
37. Zeke Nnaji
38. Cole Anthony
39. Jalen Harris
40. Payton Pritchard
41. Jahmi'us Ramsey
42. Ashton Hagans
43. Yam Madar
44. Markus Howard
45. Leandro Bolmaro
46. Isaiah Stewart
47. Grant Riller
48. Tyrell Terry
49. Daniel Oturu
50. Austin Wiley
51. Killian Tillie
52. Tyrique Jones
53. Yoeli Childs
54. Immanuel Quickley
55. Sam Merrill
56. Tyler Bey
57. Saben Lee
58. Precious Achiuwa
59. Tres Tinkle
60. Tyrese Maxey

Next 10: Omer Yurtseven, Justinian Jessup, Cassius Winston, Jon Teske, Ty-Shon Alexander, Robert Woodard, Abdoulaye N'Doye, Aaron Nesmith, Lamar Stevens, Elijah Hughes

Incredible work

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

Final board, having ingested combine data and a last-minute aggregate mock from Hoopshype. Again, ~50% stats, ~40% scout consensus, ~10% gut

Tier 1
1. LaMelo Ball
2. Tyrese Haliburton

Tier 2
3. Anthony Edwards
4. Devin Vassell
5. Killian Hayes
6. James Wiseman
7. Onyeka Okongwu
8. Aleksej Pokusevski

Tier 3
9. Josh Green
10. RJ Hampton
11. Deni Avdija
12. Xavier Tillman
13. Tre Jones
14. Vernon Carey
15. Nate Hinton
16. Isaac Okoro
17. Patrick Williams

Tier 4
18. Trevelin Queen
19. Theo Maledon
20. Malachi Flynn
21. Nico Mannion
22. Reggie Perry
23. Desmond Bane
24. Paul Reed
25. Lamine Diane
26. Kira Lewis
27. Jalen Smith
28. Nathan Knight
29. CJ Elleby
30. Devon Dotson
31. Marko Simonovic
32. Mason Jones
33. Saddiq Bey
34. Obi Toppin

Tier 5
35. Paul Eboua
36. Kaleb Wesson
37. Zeke Nnaji
38. Cole Anthony
39. Jalen Harris
40. Payton Pritchard
41. Jahmi'us Ramsey
42. Ashton Hagans
43. Yam Madar
44. Markus Howard
45. Leandro Bolmaro
46. Isaiah Stewart
47. Grant Riller
48. Tyrell Terry
49. Daniel Oturu
50. Austin Wiley
51. Killian Tillie
52. Tyrique Jones
53. Yoeli Childs
54. Immanuel Quickley
55. Sam Merrill
56. Tyler Bey
57. Saben Lee
58. Precious Achiuwa
59. Tres Tinkle
60. Tyrese Maxey

Next 10: Omer Yurtseven, Justinian Jessup, Cassius Winston, Jon Teske, Ty-Shon Alexander, Robert Woodard, Abdoulaye N'Doye, Aaron Nesmith, Lamar Stevens, Elijah Hughes

Looks better Nathan

 

[Cavatt]

Haliburton is my top pick even though I have been riding with Okoro. I just think there is no way they take him. His defense is as good as advertised and he is the perfect fit with Sexton. He'd solve most of our backcourt issues.

A lot of big boards have him in the top 5, but no one wants to take him. Silly IMO

 

[MirORich]

Final board, having ingested combine data and a last-minute aggregate mock from Hoopshype. Again, ~50% stats, ~40% scout consensus, ~10% gut

Tier 1
1. LaMelo Ball
2. Tyrese Haliburton

Tier 2
3. Anthony Edwards
4. Devin Vassell
5. Killian Hayes
6. James Wiseman
7. Onyeka Okongwu
8. Aleksej Pokusevski

Tier 3
9. Josh Green
10. RJ Hampton
11. Deni Avdija
12. Xavier Tillman
13. Tre Jones
14. Vernon Carey
15. Nate Hinton
16. Isaac Okoro
17. Patrick Williams

Tier 4
18. Trevelin Queen
19. Theo Maledon
20. Malachi Flynn
21. Nico Mannion
22. Reggie Perry
23. Desmond Bane
24. Paul Reed
25. Lamine Diane
26. Kira Lewis
27. Jalen Smith
28. Nathan Knight
29. CJ Elleby
30. Devon Dotson
31. Marko Simonovic
32. Mason Jones
33. Saddiq Bey
34. Obi Toppin

Tier 5
35. Paul Eboua
36. Kaleb Wesson
37. Zeke Nnaji
38. Cole Anthony
39. Jalen Harris
40. Payton Pritchard
41. Jahmi'us Ramsey
42. Ashton Hagans
43. Yam Madar
44. Markus Howard
45. Leandro Bolmaro
46. Isaiah Stewart
47. Grant Riller
48. Tyrell Terry
49. Daniel Oturu
50. Austin Wiley
51. Killian Tillie
52. Tyrique Jones
53. Yoeli Childs
54. Immanuel Quickley
55. Sam Merrill
56. Tyler Bey
57. Saben Lee
58. Precious Achiuwa
59. Tres Tinkle
60. Tyrese Maxey

Next 10: Omer Yurtseven, Justinian Jessup, Cassius Winston, Jon Teske, Ty-Shon Alexander, Robert Woodard, Abdoulaye N'Doye, Aaron Nesmith, Lamar Stevens, Elijah Hughes

Great work. What it is about your formula that pushes down some guys we’ll likely see go in round 1 into the tier 5, and next 10 groupings: I’m thinking specifically of Nesmith, Bey, Precious, Obi, and Tyrell Terry.

Regardless of what the predictive modeling computes, do you see those 5 as unlikely to be good NBA players?

 

[Nathan S]

Great work. What it is about your formula that pushes down some guys we’ll likely see go in round 1 into the tier 5, and next 10 groupings: I’m thinking specifically of Nesmith, Bey, Precious, Obi, and Tyrell Terry.

Regardless of what the predictive modeling computes, do you see those 5 as unlikely to be good NBA players?

Different factors for different players:

Nesmith has one thing going for him, his shooting, and a lot of things going against him (questionable athleticism, injury, horrible assist:TO). Out of all of them, I think he's most likely to bust.

Bey it sees as a fairly low-risk low-reward kind of player. I've previously compared him to Cedi, and I think he'll have a similar kind of career. Out of all of them, I think he's most likely to have a quality career.

Achiuwa's lack of shooting and horrible assist:TO numbers hurt him a lot. Skills are just too raw, especially considering that he's a year old for a freshman.

Toppin it sees as a boom/bust guy who basically needs 100% of his scoring to translate to make up for his weak all-around game. I think there's a small chance he becomes a ~25ppg scorer who makes a few All-Star games but is only a mild positive overall due to his defense. A larger chance that he's just a 15ppg scorer, and at that point the scoring isn't enough to justify having him on the court considering his weaknesses elsewhere.

Terry it sees as hopelessly overmatched physically, and I tend to agree. Just 170 pounds and a 6'2" wingspan at the combine, which is rough for a PG and hopeless for a SG. Pretty modest results in the athleticism testing too, where you'd hope a tiny guard like him might impress.

 

[cabs]

If we ended up with 23 from Knicks, I will hope for Tyler Bey at that pick

 

[Nathan S]

Paul Eboua is really worth a closer look if you like athletic wings...his combine numbers are insane. May be the one guy in the draft with legit potential to guard 1-5.

 

[Ohioplayer00]

Different factors for different players:

Nesmith has one thing going for him, his shooting, and a lot of things going against him (questionable athleticism, injury, horrible assist:TO). Out of all of them, I think he's most likely to bust.

Bey it sees as a fairly low-risk low-reward kind of player. I've previously compared him to Cedi, and I think he'll have a similar kind of career. Out of all of them, I think he's most likely to have a quality career.

Achiuwa's lack of shooting and horrible assist:TO numbers hurt him a lot. Skills are just too raw, especially considering that he's a year old for a freshman.

Toppin it sees as a boom/bust guy who basically needs 100% of his scoring to translate to make up for his weak all-around game. I think there's a small chance he becomes a ~25ppg scorer who makes a few All-Star games but is only a mild positive overall due to his defense. A larger chance that he's just a 15ppg scorer, and at that point the scoring isn't enough to justify having him on the court considering his weaknesses elsewhere.

Terry it sees as hopelessly overmatched physically, and I tend to agree. Just 170 pounds and a 6'2" wingspan at the combine, which is rough for a PG and hopeless for a SG. Pretty modest results in the athleticism testing too, where you'd hope a tiny guard like him might impress.

Only two people I want at 5.....either Toppin or Haliburton. If not then trade down

 

[mrWalrus]

I really hope the Cavs don't waste this pick on Toppin. I feel like he's the kind of player I take at 15-18 in the average draft but this draft has about 15 people that fit into that range.

Pretty sure this was the knock on Rui Hachimura last year, too. I disagree and think Obi is the 'glue' this team needs.

 

[beefstew]

OBI OR NOTHING

 

[Ohioplayer00]

I’m speechless.....another non shooting front line player

 

[Bob_The_Cat]

Given the rumors prior to the draft of our ties to Toppin and Knicks wanting to trade up, wonder if there’s a possibility a trade happens? I’d rather keep Okoro, but nothing would surprise me at this point.

 

[BiGZD]

So underwhelming.

 

[Bob_The_Cat]

Not sure what it’d take to get a pick, but I’d love to get Halliburton too. Really if we could somehow come away with Precious, Vassell, or Halliburton I’d be pretty happy overall. Given how much we apparently talked to Boston, maybe something can happen at 14?

 

[Vipra]

Not bad.

I would love to see Haliburton or Avdija getting picked though. But 'they' know way more than we do.

Wolves got 2 1st rounders plus Rubio for #17. I'm sure Cavs didn't even enquire. Getting Rubio could be good.