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2020 NBA Draft
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ajz20
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This is not shaping out to be a great draft for franchise building players early on. Expectations for a top 7 pick need to be realistic. If you can get a solid starter who you could debate as a fringe all star you probably made a real smart selection. Ton of glue guys and guys that will be in rotations, but if you are looking for franchise changers this is probably not your year.
Some are comparing Edwards to Mitchell from Utah, but there are just not a ton of guys projected to be franchise players at all.
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Depends what you are looking for. I think the only thing any scouts agree on is Wiseman is the best big. After Wiseman, it's a grab bag.
Small forward could be one of any 5-6 guys to me. I honestly think Tyler Bey will be the most productive SF of this group. Doesn't mean he'll go first at the position but he has the most discernible NBA skills at this point, to me. After him, I'd probably lean McDaniels, Nwora, then Okoro......but I am pretty luke warm on Okoro, after early college returns. I really don't have a good handle on Avdija at this point.
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Good lord that man is putting up some monstrous defensive stats.... 21.7 boards, 4.4 steals and 3.3 blocks per 100. I'm liking this draft for high floor guys, but i'm not seeing any franchise altering top shelf high usage talent.
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trade back scenario?
I'd love a defensive stopper++
I'd love a defensive stopper++
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I don't care about skill set or position of the player we draft. I'd just love to get a single good young player on this roster because we don't have anybody that currently is.
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Wiseman is leaving Memphis to prep for the draft.
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This isn't a draft to get too cute trading back for a specific player a team thinks will slide. The top three of Ball, Wiseman and Edwards seem to be creating a little distance... eventhough more players are shutting it down early than I ever remember. Even those players are more like Garland - projected to eventually develop into solid starters but not plug and play type prospects.
The silver lining for me in this draft is that the Cavaliers were aggressive adding prospects late in the 2019 draft, which I felt had great depth. This draft is way more like the dreaded 2013 draft. Nobody knows who will improve and who is going to flame out.
The silver lining for me in this draft is that the Cavaliers were aggressive adding prospects late in the 2019 draft, which I felt had great depth. This draft is way more like the dreaded 2013 draft. Nobody knows who will improve and who is going to flame out.
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Agree (Wiseman). This could actually turn out to be a blessing for him if everyone remains enamoured with what he was hyped as before college. How do you evaluate him properly (effort and IQ especially) if he isn't playing in at least a decent league?
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Not even that, but the few minutes we did get to see him he didn't show any signs of a modern skillset. Bad on switches, not a threat from 3, little to no face-up game to speak of. And that isn't to say that he won't be able to hypothetically develop those skills, but we haven't even had a chance to gauge whether he has any type of affinity for those facets of the game. It is really hard not to feel like this just carbonite freezes the impression I had of him already, which was a superb athlete with tremendous physical attributes but no indication of those tools being put towards a versatile and flexible skillset.
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I disagree. I would be floored if Wiseman didn’t go #1, regardless of team need. He’s by far the best prospect IMO. Maybe someone can emerge the last half of the college season but I haven’t seen anything from anyone else towards the top of the draft, this far, that would make me want to pass on Wiseman.....even with some unknown.
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That's interesting you say this. I admit I was taken aback when I saw him by just how smooth he moves with that insane toolkit of athleticism. Makes you drool.
But it's a huge question if he can ever put together those skills not to mention the serious effort concerns. He's a project you take on for sure and in a weak draft pretty high even I can see, but I don't think Id take a guy with those questions marks over Anthony Edwards at this point.
What makes you like Wiseman so much?
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No big in college showed an affinity for modern NBA skills. Not Ayton, JoJo, or KAT.
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Not true, KAT, JoJo and JJJ all showed flashes of skills that translate well to the way the game is played in the pros. Ayton certainly didn’t, which is the reason why so many people wondered if he was the right pick as the first big off the board, much less first overall.
We need to ask ourselves what we want from a cornerstone Big man on a succesful NBA team. He needs to be able to protect the rim, defend on the perimeter and space floor. If he can do all those things it’s a slam dunk. if he can protect the rim and defend the perimeter, you need account for the lack of firepower at the other positions, especially the four.
Poor perimeter defense is a different matter though, and it is much harder to cover up and keep opposing teams from exploiting, same goes for rim protection.
Which of these areas have Wiseman shown any indication that he will excel in? He does not space the floor, which will Force the team to compensate for it at other positions. He has not shown anything on the court that points towards him being a capable perimeter defender, which makes the defense imminently exploitable. He has the physical tools you’d like to see in an elite rim protector, but hasn’t shown the production to back it up.
I just don’t see it with Wiseman. How is he any more enticing than someone like Ayton or Bagley? Both of those guys are fine players, they can certainly be productive rotation players, but I don’t think either of those guys and their respective skillsets are good building blocks to base your team on.