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Low sample, but watching the Clemson highlights vs Duke, Carey was the victim in quite a few of the Clemson highlights. Looked slow and confused.. So he has moved down a little in my book..

Really not seeing break away players this year..

Produced 20 points, but got cooked repeatedly by the smaller, smarter Simms. A worrying sign in an era when many bigs are getting run off the floor in the NBA.

Good game for Edwards, on the bright side, fueled as usual by hot 3-point shooting. Another 3-point bombing freshman* who's been surprisingly under the radar is Landers Nolley. He's shooting 40% from deep on over 7 attempts per game (78% from the line) on his way to 18.1 ppg. Doesn't appear to be a standout defender by any stretch, but at 6'7" 230lbs he has great positional size for a SG/SF.

*a year older, sat out last year due to academic issues
 
I know he's been mentioned in here, but Paul Reed is legit. If you haven't watched a DePaul game, try to find one. His highlights are impressive, but watching a full game shows the better picture of his impact. Just so smooth and athletic, strong & long enough to guard the post and has the lateral quickness to guard on the perimeter.

Offensively, he's really solid around the basket, has a little jump hook that is money. His jump shot is certainly not a thing of beauty, but it isn't totally broken, I think he could develop a decent 3 point shot here. He's not the type that can create his own shot, but he'd be great with Garland, lobs and cuts to the basket would be fun to watch. He is everything that Nance should be.
 
I know he's been mentioned in here, but Paul Reed is legit. If you haven't watched a DePaul game, try to find one. His highlights are impressive, but watching a full game shows the better picture of his impact. Just so smooth and athletic, strong & long enough to guard the post and has the lateral quickness to guard on the perimeter.

Offensively, he's really solid around the basket, has a little jump hook that is money. His jump shot is certainly not a thing of beauty, but it isn't totally broken, I think he could develop a decent 3 point shot here. He's not the type that can create his own shot, but he'd be great with Garland, lobs and cuts to the basket would be fun to watch. He is everything that Nance should be.

This year's Brandon Clarke?
 
I know he's been mentioned in here, but Paul Reed is legit. If you haven't watched a DePaul game, try to find one. His highlights are impressive, but watching a full game shows the better picture of his impact. Just so smooth and athletic, strong & long enough to guard the post and has the lateral quickness to guard on the perimeter.

Offensively, he's really solid around the basket, has a little jump hook that is money. His jump shot is certainly not a thing of beauty, but it isn't totally broken, I think he could develop a decent 3 point shot here. He's not the type that can create his own shot, but he'd be great with Garland, lobs and cuts to the basket would be fun to watch. He is everything that Nance should be.

He's gone through a bit of a shooting slump lately but still, players who are 79-80% FT shooters historically have a lot of shooting potential, even if their shot isn't textbook. He clearly has repeatable mechanics or he wouldn't be that type of FT shooter.....and there has been a nice progression of improvement during his time at DePaul.

I've been driving the Paul Reed bandwagon but I think I'm most curious about his athletic testing and measurements...maybe more so than any other player. Guys who are just naturally smooth and effortless can tend to look like more average athletes when they are not. I don't think he's an average athlete but I more just want to see things like lane agility, no step vert, etc. just to have a frame of reference.

This year's Brandon Clarke?

My stuff says they're kind of similar profiles but Clarke was the more efficient scorer.....but certainly they were both grossly undervalued at this point. Through 17 games, the most surprising stat is probably that Reed is a better rebounder than Clarke...posting 2.2 more REB per 100, which isn't insignificant. He's almost a full 2 years younger than Clarke too.

I think Reed has a potentially more interesting frame than Clarke. He's not the same caliber of athlete but he just looks really long....and he uses that length really well, both inside and on the perimeter. He has a significantly higher steal rate for players with such high defensive impact (9.0 DBPM players).....and I'd imagine it is that length manifesting itself.

Reed, just historically speaking, has a pretty high floor profile. I'm still probably more bullish on his offense than most.....but at worst, he looks like he's probably a good defensive NBA player who's passable on offense. The positional difference metric my stuff spits out has been especially promising in identifying the really undervalued prospects. Last year it liked a lot of guys who have cropped up in the early rookie VORP and BPM leaderboards (Clarke, Hayes, Gafford, Thybulle, Johnson, etc.). And it did so across the pick spectrum. Historically, it's been similarly good as well.....not necessarily predicting who should go where but generally speaking, taking a best guess at which player outcomes are likely to be the most positive.


For anyone who has no clue why P. Diff matters :chuckle: .....Positional difference is just how much above or below average a player profiles vs his drafted peers, in terms of overall impact.....0.9-.95 is kind of a generic prospect at their position. So any guys you see around 1.0 or better are guys that you just really need to dig in on and pay attention to. They don't all make it.....but there definitely is a significant uptick in positive outcomes at or above that 1.0 mark. The higher you go, the more certain it is that the outcome will be positive.

It slots Reed, this year, in that orangish / yellow band....just where outcomes are almost universally positive for guys that play full seasons. There's really only been one dud out of that group (KJ McDaniels).....but he was a later draftee. So if Reed continues to hold there, through conference play, it is certainly a feather in his cap from a prospect perspective.
 
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He's gone through a bit of a shooting slump lately but still, players who are 79-80% FT shooters historically have a lot of shooting potential, even if their shot isn't textbook. He clearly has repeatable mechanics or he wouldn't be that type of FT shooter.....and there has been a nice progression of improvement during his time at DePaul.

I've been driving the Paul Reed bandwagon but I think I'm most curious about his athletic testing and measurements...maybe more so than any other player. Guys who are just naturally smooth and effortless can tend to look like more average athletes when they are not. I don't think he's an average athlete but I more just want to see things like lane agility, no step vert, etc. just to have a frame of reference.



My stuff says they're kind of similar profiles but Clarke was the more efficient scorer.....but certainly they were both grossly undervalued at this point. Through 17 games, the most surprising stat is probably that Reed is a better rebounder than Clarke...posting 2.2 more REB per 100, which isn't insignificant. He's almost a full 2 years younger than Clarke.

I think Reed has a potentially more interesting frame than Clarke. He's not the same caliber of athlete but he just looks really long....and he uses that length really well, both inside and on the perimeter. He has a significantly higher steal rate for players with such high defensive impact (9.0 DBPM player).....and I'd imagine it is that length manifesting itself.

Reed, just historically speaking, has a pretty high floor profile. I'm still probably more bullish on his offense than most.....but at worst, he looks like he's probably a good defensive NBA player who's passable on offense. The positional difference metric my stuff spits out has been especially promising in identifying the really undervalued prospects. Last year it liked a lot of guys who have cropped up in the early rookie VOPR and BPM leaderboards (Clarke, Hayes, Gafford, Thybulle, Johnson, etc.). And it did so across the pick spectrum. Historically, it's been similarly good as well.....not necessarily predicting who should go where but generally speaking, taking a best guess at which player outcomes are likely to be the most positive.


It slots Reed, this year, in that orangish / yellow band....just where outcomes are almost universally positive for guys that play full seasons. There's really only been one dud out of that group (KJ McDaniels).....but he was a later draftee. So if Reed continues to hold there, through conference play, it is certainly a feather in his cap from a prospect perspective.

What does it think of Teske and Garza? These guys are fun to watch. Wieskamp probably an NBA guy too.

EDIT: Reed feasting on Butler so far this afternoon. Beast.
 
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10 dimes for Maledon yesterday, which brings his Euroleague averages to 7.4 assists and 5.1 turnovers per 40. That's comparable to Luka's Euroleague averages of 6.6 assists and 3.6 turnovers per 40. As far as I can tell, only Rubio was a more prolific passer among Euroleague teenagers.

 
McDaniels is a very clumsy offensive player. Easy to see how he has a negative OBPM. Hard to see how he's in the mid/high lottery of some mocks.
 

"Their record when Hampton is on the court is four wins and 11 losses. In the eight games he's missed, the Breakers have won seven and lost just once."

Oof.

Ball's Hawks have seen no such effect: they're 3-9 with him playing, 2-9 without him.
 
What does it think of Teske and Garza?

It likes both, in a similar ballpark as Reed.......as more undervalued players vs. traditional draft eligible centers.

Garza ranks slightly better......just in overall metrics but I think Teske's profile succeeds more often.......because Garza's value is entirely as a volume scorer.....and you'd have to believe that can translate because he's an incredibly below average defensive impact player, especially for a big man. He's also a year older than you'd expect for a junior.

Teske is just a really well rounded player. The knocks I see in Teske's profile are he's only a good but not plus rebounder and he's really old. For someone with his size, you'd really like to see him more impactful on the glass. I know he plays somewhat of a spacer role but still, he should be better than he has been on the glass IMO. The age thing maybe matters less as more of a rotational type....because physically, he's ready to play.

Considering age and profiles, they seem more like mid second round picks to me. Garza could be a 1st rounder, if you think he's actually capable of volume scoring at the NBA level. You also need to consider which is his real FT% because that drastically effects his grade IMO. If he's an 80% FT shooter, like last year.....maybe he's Kelly Olynik......if he's a 66% FT shooter, like this year.....maybe he's much more likely to just wash out of the NBA. He's a very average scorer from an efficiency standpoint (points per FG attempt).....and a decent part of that is because of his FT percentage. If his scoring efficiency doesn't see a spike, it's going to be tough to keep him on the floor given his defense isn't very impactful vs. traditional centers who succeed in the NBA.
 
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It likes both, in a similar ballpark as Reed.......as more undervalued players vs. traditional draft eligible centers.

Garza ranks slightly better......just in overall metrics but I think Teske's profile succeeds more often.......because Garza's value is entirely as a volume scorer.....and you'd have to believe that can translate because he's an incredibly below average defense impact player, especially for a big man. He's also a year older than you'd expect for a junior.

Teske is just a really well rounded player. The knocks I see in Teske's profile are he's only a good but not plus rebounder and he's really old. For someone with his size, you'd really like to see him more impactful on the glass. I know he plays somewhat of a spacer role but still, he should be better than he has been on the glass IMO. The age thing maybe matters less as more of a rotational type....because physically, he's ready to play.

Considering age and profiles, they seem more like mid second round picks to me. Garza could be a 1st rounder, if you think he's actually capable of volume scoring at the NBA level. You also need to consider which is his real FT% because that drastically effects his grade IMO. If he's an 80% FT shooter, like last year.....maybe he's Kelly Olynik......if he's a 66% FT shooter, like this year.....maybe he's much more likely to just wash out of the NBA. He's a very average scorer from an efficiency standpoint.....and a decent part of that is because of his FT percentage. If his scoring efficiency doesn't see a spike, it's going to be tough to keep him on the floor given his defense isn't very impactful vs. traditional centers who succeed in the NBA.

Totally agree. I see Teske as a great roleplayer center who could start on a team with a modern guard/wing dominated offense. Would actually be a great fit next to Love in the frontcourt, as Love is still an excellent rebounder. So that's something to think about if we keep Love.

I think Garza, on the other hand, is a bench guy at the NBA level, but he could be a very impactful one. Feed him the ball and let him go to work against the other team's backup center...that's an unorthodox strategy that a lot of bench units haven't gameplanned for. And he's a hell of a scorer. 30 points per 40 on 60% true shooting is almost unheard of. If he's effective enough in that role, maybe he grows into a starting role in spite of his defensive limitations.
 
So far I'd be fine with Obi Toppin or Wiseman as I prefer a big man with this pick, but if we get the 1# pick we have to take Edwards regardless of having drafted sexton.
 
Totally agree. I see Teske as a great roleplayer center who could start on a team with a modern guard/wing dominated offense. Would actually be a great fit next to Love in the frontcourt, as Love is still an excellent rebounder. So that's something to think about if we keep Love.

I think Garza, on the other hand, is a bench guy at the NBA level, but he could be a very impactful one. Feed him the ball and let him go to work against the other team's backup center...that's an unorthodox strategy that a lot of bench units haven't gameplanned for. And he's a hell of a scorer. 30 points per 40 on 60% true shooting is almost unheard of. If he's effective enough in that role, maybe he grows into a starting role in spite of his defensive limitations.
Sounds really similar to Enes Kanter
 
Just wanted to come on here and say that if we're picking 3rd or 4th I could totally get on board with Obi Toppin. Slowly but surely falling in love with his game.

The Amare Stoudemire comparisons are definitely the most accurate I've seen thus far.
 
Has Aaron Nesmith been talked about at all yet? I glanced back and I don't believe I saw his name mentioned.

I was digging through some of my stuff, kind of at the halfway point here and he really jumped off the page on the wing.

Appears he is out for the season with a foot injury but his 17 game start was one of the better wing starts I have seen in the possession era. Just his mix of shooting volume, FT percentage and STL/+BLK stats.

He's definitely flagged as someone who should be a pretty big riser in mocks. Maybe that is dampened a bit by the injury.
 

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