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Also, WTF.......this sucks:



I don't think I saw anyone post this......bummer.

Really unfortunate given how he was in the very small group of guys who were actually profiling as legit top 5 picks.

This draft is one or two injuries away from being a total cluster fuck. :chuckle:
Um...I think it became a total cluster fuck one or two injuries ago. This is just icing on the cake :chuckle:
 

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Since his season is done......Red is elite, Orange is exceptional, Yellow is plus, Gray is above average, Purple is a concern......if you want what this means.


Halburton's profile is about as good as it gets. If your only concern is FT generation, when a guy has a mix of elite, exceptional and plus shooting / hustle / assist metrics, he's one of the few no brainer lottery guys in this class.

Just to put this in perspective, all of my stuff likes Haliburton just as much as it liked Morant......so that is pretty high praise from a prospect ranking perspective. And all of Haliburton's metrics were holding in conference play as well, further confirmation he's probably even underrated in the 7-10 range.
 

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Since his season is done......Red is elite, Orange is exceptional, Yellow is plus, Gray is above average, Purple is a concern......if you want what this means.


Halburton's profile is about as good as it gets. If your only concern is FT generation, when a guy has a mix of elite, exceptional and plus shooting / hustle / assist metrics, he's one of the few no brainer lottery guys in this class.
Woudl you pick him for the Cavs?
 

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Woudl you pick him for the Cavs?
I think he fits on just about any team.....just with his mix of size and skill......and value both on and off the ball.

I think he's a really nice fit next to Garland.....as a big, rangy guard partner, who can play a 2 man game where each floats on and off the ball. Both are shooters, both have plus creation skill.....he's honestly about as good as you could ask for in a Garland pair, just from a pure fit standpoint.....if you value Garland both on and off the ball. And he has the size to guard 1-3 and hide Garland on that end too.

If your philosophy is to maximize Garland on ball, I would like someone more like Nesmith, who is more of a pure off ball 2.....or Okungwu, who would be a really nice P&R pair.
 

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I think he fits on just about any team.....just with his mix of size and skill......and value both on and off the ball.

I think he's a really nice fit next to Garland.....as a big, rangy guard partner, who can play a 2 man game where each floats on and off the ball. Both are shooters, both have plus creation skill.....he's honestly about as good as you could ask for in a Garland pair, just from a pure fit standpoint.....if you value Garland both on and off the ball. And he has the size to guard 1-3 and hide Garland on that end too.

If your philosophy is to maximize Garland on ball, I would like someone more like Nesmith, who is more of a pure off ball 2.....or Okungwu, who would be a really nice P&R pair.
so you want to trade Sexton ?
I asked because we already have 2 PGs.

I'm not on the Okongwu train. A non vocal center is a big red flag to me, especially if a player's skills rely on rim protection and athleticism.
 

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@I'mWithDan what are the most comparable seasons to Garza's 2019-20 season? I've said it before but his combination of scoring volume and efficiency, especially coming against a very tough Big 10 schedule, is off the charts. I'm surprised he's not considered an obvious first rounder.
 

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so you want to trade Sexton ?
I asked because we already have 2 PGs.
I still think Sexton's destiny is a 6th man. I don't know if he is at all open to that, given how young he is.....but I just think you can't win with the guard combo we currently have. We just need more size and versatility next to one of those guys and the creation Garland has shown off seems like what should win out, when considering who to bump out of the starting lineup.

It's possible Sexton wants to be traded if someone like Haliburton supplants him but I think it just is what it is. Garland / Haliburton with Sexton providing scoring punch off the bench is actually a perimeter mix that makes sense, especially with how Haliburton just compliments anyone at the PG spot.

I'm not on the Okongwu train. A non vocal center is a big red flag to me, especially if a player's skills rely on rim protection and athleticism.
Okongwu seems to be polarizing but he just has really strong analytics and he does things that modern bigs need to do. For a class that is really shaky, historically speaking, he's one of the few guys that seems to have a discernible NBA skillset and the requisite production to be confident it can translate.

Ranks against what amounts to the consensus top 30 prospects:

2/30 PDIFF
12/30 Adjusted
4/30 Impact
2/30 Net

Updated numbers moved him past Haliburton in two categories.

Composite ranking of 5.

It would be pretty surprising if that type of player just wasn't a good NBA starter.

Ranking is never full proof but Okongwu and Haliburton seem like pretty bulletproof prospects.....just in terms of their floors.

Again, I've always said I'm not really a gray area guy.....of evaluating other things, I tend to just be more interested in statistical profiles.....and Okongwu's statistical profile says he'd have to have some catastrophic character red flag to not take him. I'm not sure if being somewhat quiet qualifies as such but maybe it does.
 

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20 points and 7 dimes for Maledon today. International guys trending up, up up.
 

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Similar to 2013 this might be the draft to trade down if at all possible. I might prefer them take multiple stabs in this draft. I like Nesmith, Nworo, and Achiuwa to varying degrees and all could be available mid to late 1st round. I think some of these guys like Precious might be playing out of position a little bit too esp with Wiseman gone. Vassell has basically come out of nowhere and could potentially be another solid player at the next level. The more I see of Haliburton he also impresses but his lack of FT's has to be somewhat concerning for a player that could go high lottery.
 

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Haliburton reminds me of a point guard Danny Manning for some reason
 

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Haliburton reminds me of a point guard Danny Manning for some reason
College basketball was really really popular and fun back in those days as a young kid
 

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Does anyone have any thoughts on Naji Marshall? That Stepien article about him has me pretty interested. 29.7% on 3s so the big question is if he will ever have a shot but the rest of his toolkit seems great. Could he be a project worth taking or even a sleeper?

This is the Stepien article:

What if I told you that there was a 6’7″ forward who is an above average passer, is able to get into the paint and finish around the basket with either hand, and has shown solid touch. What if on the other end this player is an elite defender who can defend positions 1 through 3 on and also off the ball (like trailing and chasing around screens, and can even defend the 4 in small-ball lineups). What if I told you that his main weakness is the consistency of his shot, but he is capable of knocking shots down and has shown flashes of shooting off-the-dribble.
 

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Internationals comparison (per-40 pace adjusted)

Maledon: 18.2 points (.44/.34/.77 shooting), 4.5 boards, 6.7 assists, 1.7 stl+blk, 4.0 turnovers

Hayes: 18.6 points (.49/.32/.89 shooting), 4.5 boards, 8.7 assists, 2.7 stl+blk, 5.3 turnovers

Avdija: 16.0 points (.53/.39/.52 shooting), 8.7 boards, 3.6 assists, 2.3 stl+blk, 2.5 turnovers

Ball: 21.7 points (.38/.25/.72 shooting), 9.5 boards, 8.6 assists, 2.3 stl+blk, 3.2 turnovers

Hampton: 17.0 points (.41/.30/.68 shooting), 7.6 boards, 4.6 assists, 2.7 stl+blk, 3.0 turnovers
 

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A freshman top-20 recruit is putting up the following per-100 stats for a top-10 team:

26.6 points (.50/.41/.79 shooting), 9.6 boards, 2.5 assists, 1.1 steals, 2.0 blocks, 2.3 turnovers

I've rarely seen him in mock drafts.
 

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