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Other than height, what about Sexton makes folks think "he's a point guard"?
He's a pg perfectly suited for the modern NBA thanks to his elite athleticism. Just because he isn't a pass first guard doesn't mean he can't play the 1.
 
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He's a pg perfectly suited for the modern NBA thanks to his elite athleticism. Just because he isn't a pass first guard doesn't mean he can't play the 1.
So, athleticism makes him "a pg perfectly suited for the modern NBA"?
 

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He's a pg perfectly suited for the modern NBA thanks to his elite athleticism. Just because he isn't a pass first guard doesn't mean he can't play the 1.
Nah bro. Two years in a row of three assists a game and 2.3 turnovers. Those are shooting guard numbers. Collin Sexton himself would disagree with you. It might be time to do more listening than posting. The posters are starting to treat your takes like a joke, and it's not just their fault on this. There are a lot of brilliant basketball minds who you aren't listening to in order to push your own opinions. It's going to be your own loss eventually.
 

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My read on things based off purely on my own take:
If Warriors get pick 1 they will draft Wiseman, meaning we probably take Ball at 2
If Cavs get pick 1 it will either be Wiseman or Ball
If we fall out of top 2 then Deni or Okongwu come into play.. outside chance of Okoro/Vasell being the guy too

- I doubt we pick Toppin while we have Love on the roster
 

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I wish Garland/Sexton could work like Lowry/Vanvleet somehow do... should hire Lowry as a coach to teach them how to defend when he retires
 

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Nah bro. Two years in a row of three assists a game and 2.3 turnovers. Those are shooting guard numbers. Collin Sexton himself would disagree with you. It might be time to do more listening than posting. The posters are starting to treat your takes like a joke, and it's not just their fault on this. There are a lot of brilliant basketball minds who you aren't listening to in order to push your own opinions. It's going to be your own loss eventually.
My bad. I'm just trying to state my opinions. I see so many holes in the roster. I like Sexton as a pg. I think he can be alot like Westbrook. He wasn't known as a playmaker early in his career, but improved drastically.

Sexton's assist numbers are low of course, his teammates mostly suck.
 

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Sexton's assist numbers are low of course, his teammates mostly suck.
From a statistical standpoint, there is zero validity to your opinions. Let's talk about assist percentage, which is the percentage of teammates points that are assisted when Sexton is on the floor. His rookie year, he was responsible for 15.3% and it actually went down in 2020 to 15.1%. That is nowhere close to a point guard production. You compare Sexton to Westbrook on several posts, yet Westbrook has more than doubled Sexton's assist percentage for his career, with a career assist percentage of 42.3%. As a rookie, his lowest mark was 27.5%. So while in your mind they are similar players creating for teammates, the statistics produced show they are not remotely similar.

Love had a similar assist percentage at 15.4% in 2020. Nobody would call him a point guard. Andrew Wiggins, who a notorious non-passer and score first player, hasn't had a assist percentage numbers that low in four seasons. That's what Sexton does: finish not set up.

Simply put, no offense will succeed with Sexton as the primary player responsible for setting the table for others. That is not how he plays, and the stats show he won't even be relatively close after great improvement.
 

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Sexton will never be Shai Gilgeous Alexander in my mind. The absolute goat.

But he can be a great shooting guard, and I personally I think pairing him with a tall playmaker, let's say a tall PG with defensive chops would be a great pairing.
Sexton would thrive as a close out attacker, baseline attacker, cutter, spot up shooter and would generally be better as a secondary ball handler and one who attacks fast, and quick, rather than try to set up the offense and think too much.

I'm not saying that he can't become a playmaker, but it would take a lot of work and sacrifices as it just doesn't come naturally for him at all.
 

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From a statistical standpoint, there is zero validity to your opinions. Let's talk about assist percentage, which is the percentage of teammates points that are assisted when Sexton is on the floor. His rookie year, he was responsible for 15.3% and it actually went down in 2020 to 15.1%. That is nowhere close to a point guard production. You compare Sexton to Westbrook on several posts, yet Westbrook has more than doubled Sexton's assist percentage for his career, with a career assist percentage of 42.3%. As a rookie, his lowest mark was 27.5%. So while in your mind they are similar players creating for teammates, the statistics produced show they are not remotely similar.

Love had a similar assist percentage at 15.4% in 2020. Nobody would call him a point guard. Andrew Wiggins, who a notorious non-passer and score first player, hasn't had a assist percentage numbers that low in four seasons. That's what Sexton does: finish not set up.

Simply put, no offense will succeed with Sexton as the primary player responsible for setting the table for others. That is not how he plays, and the stats show he won't even be relatively close after great improvement.
Tony Parker is known for having notoriously low assist numbers. That didn't affect the Spurs at all, & Parker is one of the greatest pg's ever. Sexton will be fine as a primary ball handler. It's just my opinion, I understand why people disagree with me. It's all about ball movement. If the Cavs want to succeed, they'll have to improve in that regard.

Offense wins games, defense wins championships. Taking LaMelo Ball with our pick will set us back.
 
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Tony Parker is known for having notoriously low assist numbers. That didn't affect the Spurs at all, & Parker is one of the greatest pg's ever. Sexton will be fine as a primary ball handler. It's just my opinion, I understand why people disagree with me.It's all about ball movement. If the Cavs want to succeed, they'll have to improve in that regard.
Tony Parker, as a rookie, had an assist percentage of 23.9%. The statistical norm carries through here as well, since that was his lowest for his career, which would never dip below 27% again. Parker ended up with a career assist percentage of 32.3%, which again, like Westbrook, is more than double Sexton's assist percentage.

We can do this all day. No "point guard" carries advanced statistics in running an offense like Sexton, because Sexton has consistently played like a score first shooting guard in a smaller body.
 

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Tony Parker, as a rookie, had an assist percentage of 23.9%. The statistical norm carries through here as well, since that was his lowest for his career, which would never dip below 27% again. Parker ended up with a career assist percentage of 32.3%, which again, like Westbrook, is more than double Sexton's assist percentage.

We can do this all day. No "point guard" carries advanced statistics in running an offense like Sexton, because Sexton has consistently played like a score first shooting guard in a smaller body.
I don't necessarily disagree with anything you say. You seem very knowledgeable when it comes to the game.

Seeing that Westbrook & Parker improved drastically as playmakers, what makes you think Sexton can't do the same? He scored 41 points against the Celts & in that same game he dished out 6 assists, which is double the amount he averages.

I think his low assist numbers boil down to what the coaching staff asks him to do.

FWIW, Gilgeous-Alexander averages 3.3 assists for his career. Do you consider him a point guard?
 

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Also notable that those Parker/Ginobili lineups were pretty damn good. If Sexton/Hayes has a chance to be Parker/Ginobili 2.0, you can sign me up.
 

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Seeing that Westbrook & Parker improved drastically as playmakers, what makes you think Sexton can't do the same? He scored 41 points against the Celts & in that same game he dished out 6 assists, which is double the amount he averages.
The concern here is that Parker was a combo guard who started out head and shoulders higher in advanced stats than Sexton, and then measurably improved his first three years. Sexton spent his rookie year as a high usage with low assist player, and continued the trend without any area of improvement in the second year. Trusting one game where he picked up six assists when 99 games tell a different story is a fool's errand.

Looking back in history of the franchise, even the most notorious high usage ball hog in franchise history - World B. Free - had more improvement in assist percentage and maintained a higher percentage than Sexton throughout his career... and he was 100% an undersized shooting guard.


I think his low assist numbers boil down to what the coaching staff asks him to do.
He has gone through three coaching staffs in two years! This was also the knock on Sexton in college, playing under Avery Johnson! There are four changes in the variable group (coaches) but the control group (Sexton) never changes, scientific method just told you it ain't the coaching.

So go ahead and pull for him to play more like a point guard, but counting on that change is foolish. Delly and the coaches have been trying, but it doesn't look good at all.

What I see is the front office realizing this hole in his game and jumping on a point guard in the very next draft. That is defendable, but Garland had development roadblocks in his rookie season. I'm personally on favor of giving Garland another year with better health and coaching before we give up on making him a starting point guard. If the Cavs are alarmed by his lower assist percentages and questionable defense, they might take a guy to fill Delly's role and support them. We will see how it goes once the lottery is over.

But Sexton has, without question, shown he is likely going to be an undersized shooting guard.
 

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I don't necessarily disagree with anything you say. You seem very knowledgeable when it comes to the game.

Seeing that Westbrook & Parker improved drastically as playmakers, what makes you think Sexton can't do the same? He scored 41 points against the Celts & in that same game he dished out 6 assists, which is double the amount he averages.

I think his low assist numbers boil down to what the coaching staff asks him to do.

FWIW, Gilgeous-Alexander averages 3.3 assists for his career. Do you consider him a point guard?
Lots of players improve over time. Fewer improve while completely changing *how* they play the game. Collecting assists isn't what makes someone a point guard; which is why Randolphkeys brought up assist rate, not raw assists. Its also why Steph is listed as the Warriors PG, not Draymond.

Collin Sexton does not *play* like a point guard. Why do you think I asked what about him makes people think hes a PG. Ill ask it this way, instead; if Collin Sexton was 6'7", would anyone be suggesting hes a PG?
 

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I would love to see Sexton paired with a big guard that can be the playmaker,,,someone in here suggested Lonzo Ball I think?
That's the kind of player Sexton would thrive playing with. Ball could control the flow and Sexton could just explode and do his thing.
 

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