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I honestly don't know the answer to this...what is the last championship team to start a center who was a "threat on the low block"?

It's gotta be Bynum on the Lakers, right?
It's because centers with size, length & mobility are hard to find.
 
It's because centers with size, length & mobility are hard to find.

It's because for a post up to be efficient, the guy has to shoot almost 75%. Otherwise, almost any 3 point attempt is a more efficient shot to take. It's not so much a lack of skilled mobile bigs, but a league that has made rule after rule to limit the effectiveness of post play and instead make the game perimeter oriented.
 
Jokes aside, Azubuike is my favorite 2nd round prospect. He'd be an excellent consolation prize if we miss out on the Wiseman sweepstakes.

That's not how drafts work.

Wiseman and Azubuike are not mutually exclusive. We cant get Ball and Wiseman, but Azubuike is not a consolation prize. He might be an excellent player to but back into the late first or early 2nd, but if we miss Wiseman and get Ball, ball becomes the consolation prize.
 
It's because for a post up to be efficient, the guy has to shoot almost 75%. Otherwise, almost any 3 point attempt is a more efficient shot to take. It's not so much a lack of skilled mobile bigs, but a league that has made rule after rule to limit the effectiveness of post play and instead make the game perimeter oriented.

Would you be in favor of extending the 3PT line out further?
 
In favor of extending it and removing the corner 3 in general.
I know that extending the overall width of the court is probably out of the question. Ideally I’d keep the corner three but have it be longer, but w out a wider court that’s not really possible.

I worry that eliminatIng the corner three would create a bit of a dead zone on the court that could lead to over congestion, but overall I’m in favor of extending the three point line out further. I don’t want to return to the 80s when a team night have 1-2 specialists who are the only ones to shoot threes but also don’t like basketball being so three point centric where PFs and C are almost ALL now jacking 3s 2-4 time per game.

A longer three or line could also grate more space for slashers and cutters to operate because there will still be enough good 3P shooters camped out on the perimeter drawing their defender out and creating space in the middle and interior
 
I don't like Okongwu because he's a slightly undersized energy big.

*Insert eye gouge gif*. Why do you keep saying this? He is not undersized, from what we know. He was in an interview with Mike Schmidt where he said their S&C coach measured players without shoes midseason and they had him at 6'9"+. That would put him at more than above average size for a PF for ALL drafts in the database.......but it is plus size for how the NBA has trended smaller. In 2019, the average PF size was 6'7.25" without shoes......in 2018 it was 6'7.75", in 2017 it was 6'7.75". We'll see how he measures but calling him undersized is silly, relative to what we know.

He was a decent rim protector in college but I don't know if that translates to the pro's. I want my center to be a threat on the low block. Wiseman has elite length.

Bigs have to be elite rim protectors for the skill to really matter.....if they aren't truly elite, ala a Gobert, then that player has to be able to carry water on the perimeter, which Okungwu can do. He's the definition of a modern big on defense IMO......capable in the P&R but able to at least alter shots at the rim at the 4 and in smaller lineups at the 5. Unless you think Wiseman can be one of the best 3 shot blockers in the NBA, his value really plummets defensively because he is going to get eaten up on the perimeter at the NBA level. He just doesn't have the lateral movement and change of direction needed, so he needs to draw his defensive value from how he protects the rim. If Okungwu proves to be a capable rim protector at the NBA level, his perimeter skill suddenly vaults him in to all-defense territory. I'd be more confident betting on someone that has Okungwu's perimeter tape than rolling the dice on Wiseman, who we have tape of in HS and 3 college games.
 
In favor of extending it and removing the corner 3 in general.

They have to consider making the court wider prior to eliminating the corner 3. It would kill court spacing and clog driving lanes. Instead of having defenders pinned on the baseline, honoring the corner 3, those guys are now pushed in to almost the high post area, which would be bad for both P&R action and ISO play.

I know the logistics of widening the court are harder but I think at the NBA level, they can find a way to create 1-2 feet of court space on each side. If it means courtside seats have a bit less leg room in row 2, so be it. People will still buy those seats. :chuckle:
 
*Insert eye gouge gif*. Why do you keep saying this? He is not undersized, from what we know. He was in an interview with Mike Schmidt where he said their S&C coach measured players without shoes midseason and they had him at 6'9"+. That would put him at more than above average size for a PF for ALL drafts in the database.......but it is plus size for how the NBA has trended smaller. In 2019, the average PF size was 6'7.25" without shoes......in 2018 it was 6'7.75", in 2017 it was 6'7.75". We'll see how he measures but calling him undersized is silly, relative to what we know.



Bigs have to be elite rim protectors for the skill to really matter.....if they aren't truly elite, ala a Gobert, then that player has to be able to carry water on the perimeter, which Okungwu can do. He's the definition of a modern big on defense IMO......capable in the P&R but able to at least alter shots at the rim at the 4 and in smaller lineups at the 5. Unless you think Wiseman can be one of the best 3 shot blockers in the NBA, his value really plummets defensively because he is going to get eaten up on the perimeter at the NBA level. He just doesn't have the lateral movement and change of direction needed, so he needs to draw his defensive value from how he protects the rim. If Okungwu proves to be a capable rim protector at the NBA level, his perimeter skill suddenly vaults him in to all-defense territory. I'd be more confident betting on someone that has Okungwu's perimeter tape than rolling the dice on Wiseman, who we have tape of in HS and 3 college games.
I don't think Okongwu will be able to play the 4. He'll be strictly a 5. Personally, I'd rather have a long center like Wiseman over Okongwu, then have a frontcourt partner who is mobile help in perimeter defense.

I get why so many people like Okongwu. He's athletic & mobile. His highlights remind me alot of Tristan Thompson. Personally, I'd take Achiuwa over Okongwu though.

The reason why Wiseman & Azubuike intrigue me is because they have the length to be good rim protectors at the next level, & that same length helps them potentially be difference makers in the post offensively. Wiseman has good shooting mechanics & displayed range out to the three point line at times.
 
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I don't think Okongwu will be able to play the 4. He'll be strictly a 5. Personally, I'd rather have a long center like Wiseman over Okongwu, then have a frontcourt partner who is mobile help in perimeter defense.

I get why so many people like Okongwu. He's athletic & mobile. His highlights remind me alot of Tristan Thompson. Personally, I'd take Achiuwa over Okongwu though.

The reason why Wiseman & Azubuike intrigue me is because they have the length to be good rim protectors at the next level, & that same length helps them potentially be difference makers in the post offensively. Wiseman has good shooting mechanics & displayed range out to the three point line at times.

Why exactly can't Okongwu play the 4?
 
I don't think Okongwu will be able to play the 4. He'll be strictly a 5. Personally, I'd rather have a long center like Wiseman over Okongwu, then have a frontcourt partner who is mobile help in perimeter defense.

I get why so many people like Okongwu. He's athletic & mobile. His highlights remind me alot of Tristan Thompson. Personally, I'd take Achiuwa over Okongwu though.

The reason why Wiseman & Azubuike intrigue me is because they have the length to be good rim protectors at the next level, & that same length helps them potentially be difference makers in the post offensively. Wiseman has good shooting mechanics & displayed range out to the three point line at times.
Can I ask when you've seen him do this?

He didn't do it at Memphis, he didn't do it at the Nike Hoops Summit, and he didn't do it in the EYBL.

To be clear, I'm on board with taking Wiseman #1, but I don't feel strongly about it. In fact, I'm not sure how anybody can feel strongly about him one way or the other when he has played just one game against real competition in the last year.
 
Can I ask when you've seen him do this?

He didn't do it at Memphis, he didn't do it at the Nike Hoops Summit, and he didn't do it in the EYBL.

To be clear, I'm on board with taking Wiseman #1, but I don't feel strongly about it. In fact, I'm not sure how anybody can feel strongly about him one way or the other when he has played just one game against real competition in the last year.
I think he stepped out once in this vid, I'm not sure. His free throw shooting mechanics indicate that there's some potential in him as a floor spacer.
 

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