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Very under-the-radar successful offseason for Koby & crew:
  • Drafted best wing with highest two-way upside that fits our biggest need and seems to be a great cultural piece in Okoro. (How often do all of these things align??)
  • Forced Milwaukee to give us a 2nd round pick AND unprotect their 2020 first they owed us (which, if I understand the protections correctly, likely would not have conveyed otherwise).
  • Acquired a 2nd round pick to clear cap space for the Lakers and take on McGee.
  • Acquired a 2nd round pick to clear cap space for the Jazz.
  • Signed Damyean Dotson.
Net out was Jordan Bell, Tristan Thompson, and Alfonzo McKinnie and net in was Okoro, McGee, Dotson, one future 1st round pick, and three future 2nd round picks. For a rebuilding team in asset accumulation mode, it sure seems like the Cavs got a lot for a little.
 
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Very under-the-radar successful offseason for Koby & crew:
  • Drafted best wing with highest two-way upside that fits our biggest need and seems to be a great cultural piece in Okoro. (How often do all of these things align??)
  • Forced Milwaukee to give us a 2nd round pick AND unprotect their 2020 first they owed us (which, if I understand the protections correctly, likely would not have conveyed otherwise).
  • Acquired a 2nd round pick to clear cap space for the Lakers and take on McGee.
  • Acquired a 2nd round pick to clear cap space for the Jazz.
  • Signed Damyean Dotson.
Net out was Jordan Bell, Tristan Thompson, and Alfonzo McKinnie and net in was Okoro, McGee, Dotson, one future 1st round pick, and three future 2nd round picks. For a rebuilding team in asset accumulation mode, it sure seems like the Cavs got a lot for a little.
  • Okoro seems like a great pick but we'll see
  • Miwaukee's 1st round pick in 2022 will be near the bottom of the round if Giannis stays with the Bucks. In that case unprotecting it won't matter. But if Giannis leaves it could be significant
  • I'm not a huge fan of 2nd round picks. We did get Carlos Boozer in the 2nd but I can't recall any other Cavs' 2nd round picks that amounted to anything
  • Dotson is a role player and will have a tough time finding minutes with Sexton, Garland, Porter, Delly and Exum on the roster
The biggest move the Cavs made for 2020-21 was the Drummond trade followed by taking Okoro in the draft and the McGee signing. They also got Windler which is like having a second first round pick this year. Thompson was the only significant loss.

Replacing Bielien with JBB is also huge. The team's play improved immediately after JB took over.
 

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  • Okoro seems like a great pick but we'll see
  • Miwaukee's 1st round pick in 2022 will be near the bottom of the round if Giannis stays with the Bucks. In that case unprotecting it won't matter. But if Giannis leaves it could be significant
  • I'm not a huge fan of 2nd round picks. We did get Carlos Boozer in the 2nd but I can't recall any other Cavs' 2nd round picks that amounted to anything
  • Dotson is a role player and will have a tough time finding minutes with Sexton, Garland, Porter, Delly and Exum on the roster
The biggest move the Cavs made for 2020-21 was the Drummond trade followed by taking Okoro in the draft and the McGee signing. They also got Windler which is like having a second first round pick this year. Thompson was the only significant loss.

Replacing Bielien with JBB is also huge. The team's play improved immediately after JB took over.

Joe Harris and Dwight Powell. Cavs weren't able to hold onto them, but they identified them.
 

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I mean, I get it. Covid. But what's the point in even having 300 fans in attendance? That 3 grand ain't even covering operating expenses for the support staff, let alone anything else.
1000 could be spread out very easily
 

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Very under-the-radar successful offseason for Koby & crew:
  • Drafted best wing with highest two-way upside that fits our biggest need and seems to be a great cultural piece in Okoro. (How often do all of these things align??)
  • Forced Milwaukee to give us a 2nd round pick AND unprotect their 2020 first they owed us (which, if I understand the protections correctly, likely would not have conveyed otherwise).
  • Acquired a 2nd round pick to clear cap space for the Lakers and take on McGee.
  • Acquired a 2nd round pick to clear cap space for the Jazz.
  • Signed Damyean Dotson.
Net out was Jordan Bell, Tristan Thompson, and Alfonzo McKinnie and net in was Okoro, McGee, Dotson, one future 1st round pick, and three future 2nd round picks. For a rebuilding team in asset accumulation mode, it sure seems like the Cavs got a lot for a little.


I wouldn't say the Cavs forced the Bucks to give up a second round pick and make that 2022 pick unprotected. The Bucks needed to do that so the Holiday trade could be completed.They needed us to make that 2022 first round pick unprotected.

With that said,it was nice of the them to throw in that second round pick in the agreement though....


Here is more about it.




The real value in the 2nd round picks is building up our pool of assets. Moving up in the draft and making big trades require assets, and Koby is currently reloading the gun.


100% agree with you. That's how we got KPJ in the last draft
 
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Chasedown podcast today had Nance on. Reiterated Garland looking good and trusting his knee. Said he has that confidence.

Most praise I have heard from him about Collin. Said he was really good and was going to get better. Seemed optimistic about Collin and Darius improving defensively. Said they need experience and young players are always bad.

Confirmed good shooting coaches. Said Okoros shot isn't broken, that he's glad other teams thought so. Needs work, but says it looks good. Said getting comfy with his own shot was about religion and relying on muscle memory.

Also said Okoro gets in there and disrupts things like Tristan. Says his body is NBA ready and he is a freak and explosive around the rim with great touch. Seemed to think they got a good one.

Thinks the play in tournament is a good opportunity for the team.
 
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Joe Harris and Dwight Powell. Cavs weren't able to hold onto them, but they identified them.
Powell wasn't drafted by the Cavs and has a career average of 7.7 points in 18 minutes per game after six years.

Harris spent his first four years on the bench, never starting more than 14 games in a season until his fifth year. He's turned into a decent starting 2, averaging 14 ppg the last couple of years.

Daniel Gibson had a seven-year career in which he averaged 11 starts per year and 7.8 ppg. His specialty was spotting up at the 3-point line and getting passes from LeBron for open 3's. Without LeBron I'm not sure he even lasts seven years.

Danny Green was a great second round pick, becoming a regular starter halfway through his third season and having eight more seasons as a starter after that, averaging 8.9 ppg and 3.5 rebounds in 25 minutes per game. His career FG% is only 42.4%, however.

Boozer is the only Cavs' second round pick that came in and made an immediate impact and become a starter throughout his entire career, averaging 16.2 ppg. If I'm not mistaken, Boozer dropped to the top of the second round because he was fat and there were questions about his commitment to staying in shape. But he dropped the weight, got in shape, and started 54 games as a rookie. After two years the Cavs lost him to free agency when they tried to pull a salary cap shenanigan, releasing him under the mistaken impression that he would resign with them.

So in the 51-year history of the team I'm only seeing one second round pick that had any kind of impact in his first two years and only a couple that became productive starters a few years into their careers. I agree the best use of second round picks is to bundle them and move up into the first round for a high risk, high reward guy like Kevin Porter, Jr.

Reportedly the NBA is going back to allowing high school players to enter the draft next year which will mean there could be some diamonds in the rough available in the second round. Also college players that would normally go in the bottom half of the first round will be pushed into the second. Finally, the continued growth of the sport in other countries could mean there are better foreign players and more of them than there were previously so guys like Cedi who were taken with the second to last pick in Round 1 would now be available in Round 2.

So I'm willing to admit that second round picks in the future could be more valuable than they have been in the past.
 

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Powell wasn't drafted by the Cavs and has a career average of 7.7 points in 18 minutes per game after six years.

Harris spent his first four years on the bench, never starting more than 14 games in a season until his fifth year. He's turned into a decent starting 2, averaging 14 ppg the last couple of years.

Daniel Gibson had a seven-year career in which he averaged 11 starts per year and 7.8 ppg. His specialty was spotting up at the 3-point line and getting passes from LeBron for open 3's. Without LeBron I'm not sure he even lasts seven years.

Danny Green was a great second round pick, becoming a regular starter halfway through his third season and having eight more seasons as a starter after that, averaging 8.9 ppg and 3.5 rebounds in 25 minutes per game. His career FG% is only 42.4%, however.

Boozer is the only Cavs' second round pick that came in and made an immediate impact and become a starter throughout his entire career, averaging 16.2 ppg. If I'm not mistaken, Boozer dropped to the top of the second round because he was fat and there were questions about his commitment to staying in shape. But he dropped the weight, got in shape, and started 54 games as a rookie. After two years the Cavs lost him to free agency when they tried to pull a salary cap shenanigan, releasing him under the mistaken impression that he would resign with them.

So in the 51-year history of the team I'm only seeing one second round pick that had any kind of impact in his first two years and only a couple that became productive starters a few years into their careers. I agree the best use of second round picks is to bundle them and move up into the first round for a high risk, high reward guy like Kevin Porter, Jr.

Reportedly the NBA is going back to allowing high school players to enter the draft next year which will mean there could be some diamonds in the rough available in the second round. Also college players that would normally go in the bottom half of the first round will be pushed into the second. Finally, the continued growth of the sport in other countries could mean there are better foreign players and more of them than there were previously so guys like Cedi who were taken with the second to last pick in Round 1 would now be available in Round 2.

So I'm willing to admit that second round picks in the future could be more valuable than they have been in the past.

Boobie won a playoff game as a rookie to send us to the finals for the first time. C'mon this is stupid. Nobody expects to get a starter from a 2nd. Where was Varejao drafted? Top 10?

Starters are rare from the 2nd round, but there are productive players to be had. Delly wasn't even drafted.

KPJ was "drafted" with 2nd round picks. They are lottery tickets and a way to look for roleplayers/bench guys specifically.

Lottery picks are lasers focusing on specific talent. 2nd rounders are wide nets trolling for talent. If they were worthless they wouldn't be used in trades all the time and GMs wouldn't ask for them.
 

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