2020 Offseason

[inliner311]

I guess that's true, it's just way way down on my list of concerns. If we were planning to contend then yeah, I'd agree that we need to find some kind of big wing defender who could slow down Durant and Kawhi. But we're just trying to not have the worst defense in league history and maybe sneak into the 8th seed.

Also at #5 you hope they are trying to find star level talent. Very few teams decide to put one of their best players to defend Durant, Kawhi, LeBron, etc because they have to exert so much energy to defend that their offense usually suffers. We can find a defensive specialist for that job down the road.

 

[Cavatt]

Also at #5 you hope they are trying to find star level talent. Very few teams decide to put one of their best players to defend Durant, Kawhi, LeBron, etc because they have to exert so much energy to defend that their offense usually suffers. We can find a defensive specialist for that job down the road.

Might be Larry. He is as suited for that job as anyone on the team right now.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

In that Miami game he won for us, he guarded Bam successfully on a switch in the post. He is strong and long, and might be as tall as 6'7" His body is shaped like Iggy who is also in that 6'6" range. Low center of gravity with a large torso

Maybe they have the same type, but Iggy is a larger dude. At their combines, Iggy measured 6'5.75" w/o shoes, with a 6'11" wingspan. That's solid SF size. KJP measured 6'4.25" w/o shoes, with a 6.9" wingspan. That's an inch and a half height, and two inches of wingspan.

 

[Cavatt]

Maybe they have the same type, but Iggy is a larger dude. At their combines, Iggy measured 6'5.75" w/o shoes, with a 6'11" wingspan. That's solid SF size. KJP measured 6'4.25" w/o shoes, with a 6.9" wingspan. That's an inch and a half height, and two inches of wingspan.

I don't believe the measurements. Mike Gansy is 6'6" and people say they are eye to eye.

In any case, he played SF all year, which SF abused him repeatedly? He wasn't a great defender, he was a rookie, but he never looked overpowered.

I see conflicting numbers. I have seen 8'9"(same as Iggy) standing reach and 8'7"

I like that the team wants a big 2. It is too early to slot him there though. You really need to study tape and lineup data.

 

[ansatsusha80]

Looking at Herro last night I was thinking I hope Windler does the same thing for us.

 

[Los216]

Maybe they want a PG that's actually good at basketball?

Darius Garland is good at basketball? I'm guessing you're only reading stat sheets and not actually watching games. He was easily the best ball handler and the second best passer (Love) on the team last season. That's after playing 5 college games and recovering from a knee injury his rookie season. It's crazy to see the amount of people writing Garland off as a bum. He can play.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I don't believe the measurements. Mike Gansy is 6'6" and people say they are eye to eye.

Well, those were official combine measurements, which normally are the pinnacle of accuracy. And wikipedia says Mike Gansey is 6'4", not 6'6".

In any case, he played SF all year, which SF abused him repeatedly? He wasn't a great defender, he was a rookie, but he never looked overpowered.

The entire defense was horrible, so there wasn't any need for a defense to repeatedly target any one guy. Further, he only played in 50 games, and only averaged 23 mpg in the games he did play. It is entirely possible the coaching staff targeted his on-court time against SF's/rotations who wouldn't completely abuse him. Against larger guys, they could put in Cedi or even Nance. So just because he played SF doesn't mean KPJ can defend the position properly on a day in/day out basis against the general range of guys who start at SF in the NBA.

Unless there is some objective basis to doubt the combine numbers reported on KPJ, he pretty much fits square in the center of the range for height/length for SG's, and but is undersized as an SF's. And honestly, isn't it better to have an SG who can occasionally guard some 1 and 3's decently, than an SF who may struggle with some SG's, and be completely overmatched against most PF's?

 

[ansatsusha80]

 

[ansatsusha80]

The Cavaliers‘ last couple drafts have been fairly guard-heavy, with Collin Sexton joining the team in 2018 and Darius Garland becoming a Cav in 2019. However, general manager Koby Altman suggested today that the club isn’t ruling out the possibility of adding another backcourt piece with the No. 5 pick in this year’s draft, according to Chris Fedor of Cleveland.com.

“We’re going to take the best talent,” Altman said. “We like where we are at — No. 5. We’re going to get a really good player.”

Although Altman’s comments suggest another guard is in play, Fedor believes the club is much more likely to take a wing or a big man.

Sources tell Cleveland.com that the Cavs’ top tier consists of LaMelo Ball, James Wiseman, and Anthony Edwards, in some order. Assuming those three players are off the board at No. 5, Tyrese Haliburton or Killian Hayes would be the best guard available, and the team is unlikely to view either of those players as definitively better than the backcourt options already on the roster, says Fedor.

Here’s more on the Cavaliers

• The Cavs are extremely high on 2019 first-rounder Kevin Porter Jr., according to Fedor, who hears that the former USC wing is at “at the top of Cleveland’s young player hierarchy.” The organization has been so averse to the idea of moving Porter that rival teams won’t even ask about him in trade talks anymore, Fedor adds.
• Cleveland also remains “all-in” on Collin Sexton, viewing him as one of their leaders and hardest-working players, says Fedor.
• Altman said on Friday that one of the Cavs’ offseason goals is to improve on defense and that the front office is considering how best to do that. “Whether that be adding personnel there, or internally, schematically, we know we need to look ourselves in the mirror and get better on that end,” Altman said, per Fedor. “… It’s not going to happen all at once. We’re not going to go from (30th) in the league to top five, but we need to see steady growth on that side of the ball. And I think the guys realize that and we need to hold them more accountable and do it that way. But ourselves as a front office, does that mean we need better personnel on that side of the ball or different pieces to help some of our guys? We’re looking at (that).”
• While Andre Drummond isn’t attending the Cavs’ in-market mini-camp due to a personal matter, the club has stayed in frequent contact with him and isn’t concerned about his absence, according to Fedor. Altman said today that he doesn’t know whether Drummond will pick up his 2020/21 player option, though I’d be shocked if he opts out. A source confirmed to Fedor that Drummond is “highly likely” to exercise that $28.75MM option.
• In case you missed it, Altman also said today that there’s mutual interest in a new deal between the Cavs and Tristan Thompson.

Cavs Rumors: Draft, Porter, Sexton, Defense, Drummond

The Cavaliers' last couple drafts have been fairly guard-heavy, with Collin Sexton joining the team in 2018 and Darius Garland …

www.hoopsrumors.com

 

[Wham with the Right Hand]

"We need to look at ourselves in the mirror....we need to hold them more accountable."

That sounds like Altman is saying he doesn't think the current players made enough of an effort on defense last year and Bielien let them get away with it.

 

[Cavatt]

"We need to look at ourselves in the mirror....we need to hold them more accountable."

That sounds like Altman is saying he doesn't think the current players made enough of an effort on defense last year and Bielien let them get away with it.

I always find it weird when the defense improves so much just by the assistant who was in charge of the defense takes over the job. I am sure it has something to do with scheme, but I can;t read defense that well.

When Lue took over the defense changed but in the opposite way. So odd. Both Bickerstaff and Lue were in charge of defense as assistants

 

[cabs]

I think the problem might end up that the two players that are SF size in LeMelo and Deni might be gone at #5. The SFs after them might be in a tier or two below the talent we will have available to us at #5.

I'd personally prefer taking the higher tier player than reach for a position of need. We aren't stacked enough at any position to just pass higher talent. Star level trades tend to materialize with a combination of draft picks and young talent. Cavs rarely had both to give up at the same time. If we take a guard, we can move one later if they all work out. If they don't all work out then it might look good we didn't pass up on a player because of a unproven player on our roster.

You’d wanna be absolutely certain the guard is the best player available and better than Garland both now and long term.
I don’t view Haliburton as a tier above those other guys in the 4-10 range, I even think Hayes will end up the better guard

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

"We need to look at ourselves in the mirror....we need to hold them more accountable."

That sounds like Altman is saying he doesn't think the current players made enough of an effort on defense last year and Bielien let them get away with it.

Sexton's physicality on defense sucked for much of last season. I thought he did become more aggressive fighting through screens and trying to put a body on guys as the season wore on. I think that is really the key to his development as a defender moving forward.

 

[DeeThree]

Garland is gonna have a comeback season.

 

[Cavatt]

Garland is gonna have a comeback season.

I hope so. Word is he is looking good. Has to translate to the game. I want to see him more aggressive shooting and attacking