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That isn't what I said. And you know that. I am from Cleveland after all.

Almost everyone in the big coastal cities are from somewhere else.

What I said is that there is a greater concentration on the coasts and in big cities.

I didn't give a reason why they are concentrated there or a value judgement. It is simply reality at present.

But the reason is that is where people are moving. To the coasts and the big cities like Chicago, Minneapolis, Columbus, Austin/San Antonio, Houston, Denver.

And they are moving there for the reasons Medium articulated well: That is where the young folks want to live.
It’s not just there either. Young people want to live in the cities. For example, Cleveland’s downtown population is growing. They’re about to have two residential towers come on line with more possibly on the way.
 

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I understand but disagree with the position that higher taxes on someone that paid off their loans would feel unfair.

It does remind me of this exchange:

Here's the thing, he's not getting screwed by the idea of free college or loan forgiveness. He ALREADY GOT SCREWED by the current system that has jacked up the price of a higher education. This proposal doesn't screw people that "did it right," it's preventing new people from getting screwed in the future.
To me there are two things, paying off student loans, and making college cheaper for new students. I do not think we should pay off student loans, I could see opportunities for debt forgiveness for certain type of degrees and jobs, and support lowering or subsidizing interest expenses and offering affordable payment plans.

For free college, I am for some type of program here, utilizing community colleges, state colleges, & trade schools. I think the key is to then subsidize certain degrees, or make the money you get off more merit based or based on results. I also think a lot of this needs to be done at the state and local level.
 

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I understand but disagree with the position that higher taxes on someone that paid off their loans would feel unfair.

It does remind me of this exchange:

Here's the thing, he's not getting screwed by the idea of free college or loan forgiveness. He ALREADY GOT SCREWED by the current system that has jacked up the price of a higher education. This proposal doesn't screw people that "did it right," it's preventing new people from getting screwed in the future.
You’re missing the point. It’s 2 different issues.
 

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You’re missing the point. It’s 2 different issues.
I'm not missing the point, it's two heavily connected issues and I see similar arguments against both (but what about the people that already paid their way like they were supposed to).
 

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Finally, a new Nevada poll:

https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/politics-and-government/nevada/sanders-holds-lead-heading-into-nevadas-democratic-caucuses-poll-finds-1957583/

Bernie: 25%
Biden: 18%
Warren: 13%
Steyer: 11%
Pete: 10%
Amy: 10%

Bernie in the lead, with Biden still within striking distance if he can show any type of life in his campaign. Sanders and Warren with the highest favorability marks, which should help them in a caucus state.
Really hoping it the result ends up close to this, especially for a Sanders win and keeping Pete and Amy away from more delegates.
 

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I'm not missing the point, it's two heavily connected issues and I see similar arguments against both (but what about the people that already paid their way like they were supposed to).
Yes. That’s why increasing taxes and forgiving all loans is dumb. Has to be a better way than making it free and saying “don’t worry about your tens/hundreds of thousands you owe”
 

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Finally, a new Nevada poll:

https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/politics-and-government/nevada/sanders-holds-lead-heading-into-nevadas-democratic-caucuses-poll-finds-1957583/

Bernie: 25%
Biden: 18%
Warren: 13%
Steyer: 11%
Pete: 10%
Amy: 10%

Bernie in the lead, with Biden still within striking distance if he can show any type of life in his campaign. Sanders and Warren with the highest favorability marks, which should help them in a caucus state.
Has Amy's surge or Pete's strong performances improved their standings in Nevada or South Carolina?
 

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Has Amy's surge or Pete's strong performances improved their standings in Nevada or South Carolina?
I’ll have to dig into past polls from NV to see if that represents improvement, but they’ll both need further improvement to reach viability.

As far as SC? Both In the single digits per new poll out today: https://surveyresearch-ecu.reportablenews.com/pr/south-carolina-democratic-primary-biden-s-lead-shrinks-sanders-closing-in-steyer-in-third

Biden still leading, but lead shrinking. Bernies gotta be happy with where he’s at considering he got destroyed in SC in 2016. Steyer still proving that large Ad buys work.

Edit: Looks like they did get a small bump compared to last SC poll. Stole this from reddit:

  • Biden - 28% (-9)
  • Sanders - 20% (+6)
  • Steyer - 14% (-5)
  • Buttigieg - 8% (+4)
  • Klobuchar - 7% (+5)
  • Warren - 7% (-1)
  • Bloomberg - 6% (Not actually on the ballot in SC, though)
  • Gabbard - 1%
 

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I’ll have to dig into past polls from NV to see if that represents improvement, but they’ll both need further improvement to reach viability.

As far as SC? Both In the single digits per new poll out today: https://surveyresearch-ecu.reportablenews.com/pr/south-carolina-democratic-primary-biden-s-lead-shrinks-sanders-closing-in-steyer-in-third

Biden still leading, but lead shrinking. Bernies gotta be happy with where he’s at considering he got destroyed in SC in 2016. Steyer still proving that large Ad buys work.

Edit: Looks like they did get a small bump compared to last SC poll. Stole this from reddit:

  • Biden - 28% (-9)
  • Sanders - 20% (+6)
  • Steyer - 14% (-5)
  • Buttigieg - 8% (+4)
  • Klobuchar - 7% (+5)
  • Warren - 7% (-1)
  • Bloomberg - 6% (Not actually on the ballot in SC, though)
  • Gabbard - 1%
I'm supporting Amy, at this point, though I know she will lose. At the end of the day, the Dems would have to nominate somebody truly awful for me to not vote, and I do not see that happening.
 

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I'm supporting Amy, at this point, though I know she will lose. At the end of the day, the Dems would have to nominate somebody truly awful for me to not vote, and I do not see that happening.
FWIW, Amy is probably my favorite in the moderate lane. She’s authentic, smart, and doesn’t dabble in dark money.

I’m voting blue no matter who, but Bloomberg admittedly would be a tough pill for me to swallow.
 

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FWIW, Amy is probably my favorite in the moderate lane. She’s authentic, smart, and doesn’t dabble in dark money.

I’m voting blue no matter who, but Bloomberg admittedly would be a tough pill for me to swallow.
I know it sounds silly, but I really want a woman President, and while I will consider lots of other things, it breaks the tie for me. I agree with her on most non-foreign policy issues, too.

Bloomberg is obnoxious. He’s making it hard to have a true debate within the party between old-school moderates (Biden), new school “millennial” moderates (Pete, Klobuchar), and more progressive candidates (Bernie, Warren). Bloomberg is using money to buy votes in the first two camps.

I really think this is unfortunate. A true debate for the future of the party is crucial. Bernie, Amy/Pete, and Biden are raising important issues and we need to truly debate them.
 

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If we are going to commoditize education we need to leverage disruptive technology.. there is no excuse for classes not to be online. I have a phone app to teach me Java Script.. at a college level there is no reason to teach English undergrad, or math through differential calculus.. Physics, chemistry Circuits 1 and 2.. all of that could be online.. and should be.. we already have Treehouse for programming..

It would raise the bar on what you learn from College.. I think you enable people to pick up accredited General requirements, and test into a junior year..

That would increase the number of students a given institution could produce
 

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