2020 Presidential Election Preview: The Race to the Bottom

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Who Will Now Win the Democratic Nomination

  • Uncle Joe Biden

    Votes: 14 77.8%
  • Uncle Bernie Sanders

    Votes: 3 16.7%
  • Neither, Brokered Convention in a Warren Win

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Comrade Gabbard

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Uncle Tremendous Maine Coon

    Votes: 2 11.1%
  • Jeff Bazos, Paying Cash Money

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    18
  • Poll closed .

Out of the Rafters at the Q

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It not choice A or B, there are other choices.

- Vote but don't for President, only down ticket races
- Don't even bother to show up and vote
- Vote third party

With it looking like COVID is still going to be around in Nov. there might be a lot of people who don't want either that just wont show up. It is easy to show hate for Trump in a survey and say you will vote Biden, until you actually have to go to a poll and vote.
If you want to vote for the President, you have two choices.

You could always not vote--or use your vote on someone who cannot win.

But, it certainly is choice "A" or "B." Painting voting for Biden "just because he's not Trump" isn't accurate. If you dig deep enough into a dung pile and find a candidate worse than Trump, and make the election just between that individual and Trump, then in that situation I'd vote for Trump.

The last part, about it's easier to show hate for Trump in a survey than it is to go out and vote, is painfully true. I'm certainly not going to be comfortable until January 20th at noon.
 

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To me it is so hard to predict turnout. While I don’t think Trump has a chance. If Biden does not hold his own in the debates, you could see a lower turnout, which could help down ticket races. Basically right now the polls could be any democrat vs Trump and Trump would be losing. The amount of hate for Trump right now is strong, and Biden is no where in site.

I mean how many of us on here that will vote Biden not becuase he is a great choice, but he is not Trump.
This is true. And it would be very, very true if Trump was not running.

Ultimately, and I could be wrong, the majority of people are done with Trump.

Pandemic, rubber bullets or tear gas, people have been marching and voting in primaries.

I think we will see record breaking turnout and that traditionally is not great for the GOP.

Of course, the GOP can save itself it throws Trump under the bus.

Would you support that?
 

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Of course, the GOP can save itself it throws Trump under the bus.
Can they, though? It seems like they're stuck either defending him and losing the moderates who have gotten sick of Trump's antics and rampant corruption or turning on him and losing the idiots that make up Trump's hardcore base that believe everything he says and defend all his racist, sexist, corrupt, moronic statements.

It's the old rock and a hard place situation, and if given the choice I'm going to go with the one that requires less of a backbone from Republican Congressmen.
 

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Can they, though? It seems like they're stuck either defending him and losing the moderates who have gotten sick of Trump's antics and rampant corruption or turning on him and losing the idiots that make up Trump's hardcore base that believe everything he says and defend all his racist, sexist, corrupt, moronic statements.

It's the old rock and a hard place situation, and if given the choice I'm going to go with the one that requires less of a backbone from Republican Congressmen.
I really think it is going to come down to how they see the Senate going. The Republicans can lose the Presidency but I think it is a disaster to lose the Senate. States that the Senate is not in play, I could see some support but I think will see more and more distance from Trump if there is not a benefit to back him.

IMO it is to risky to go against him all out, as you could end up losing both the presidency and the senate and set yourself up for another loss in 2 years.
 

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I really think it is going to come down to how they see the Senate going. The Republicans can lose the Presidency but I think it is a disaster to lose the Senate. States that the Senate is not in play, I could see some support but I think will see more and more distance from Trump if there is not a benefit to back him.

IMO it is to risky to go against him all out, as you could end up losing both the presidency and the senate and set yourself up for another loss in 2 years.
The primary threat is the real reason the GOP have not gone against him, except Mittens because Utah hates Trump.

And correct about the Senate, and it may come to that but it may be too late for McSally, Gardner, Earnst, Collins and whatshisname in NC. They seem like toast any which way. Might add dipshit in MT running against one of the most popular governors in the country.

As I have been saying, I think a civil war is coming to the GOP next year.

Logic dictates that a catastrophic loss by Trump, both White House and Senate, is a result of Trump and Trumpism. However, his supporters won't see it that way.

Trump will claim, and they will parrot, that he was betrayed and let down by the Deep State RNC and Never-Trumpers and they will attempt to purge the GOP of non-Trumpers. Of course, the others will fight back.

The result may be an even greater loss in 2022 when half the GOP's Senate seats are up with many in Battleground States.
 

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Assuming the other states from 2016 stayed the same electoral college wise, just Wisconsin/Michigan/Pennsylvania is enough to tip the scales (278-260). Those states are showing a double digit Biden lead at this point. Add in Florida, Arizona, North Carolina where Biden is up between 6-9%, and you have a run away winner (333-205)
 

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The Quinnipiac poll that just dropped for Ohio seems to line up with what you are saying anecdotally Biden-Trump is basically a toss up here in Ohio with Biden holding a 1% lead which would be within the margin of error so could go either way. For a state that went to Trump by 8% last time around he'd be in big trouble if that is the case when the election rolls around.

Good thing is, for once, Ohio isn’t needed for the Democratic candidate to win the election. Between traditionally blue states that went for Trump like Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin...former swing states that are now reliably blue like Virginia and Colorado...the total crapshoot that is Florida...a former red state that might go blue for the first time in a while in Arizona...and North Carolina which went for Obama in 2008 and where Biden is currently leading according to polls...there are just a lot of paths to a Biden victory. Basically Trump has to win Ohio, but Biden doesn’t. And that makes me hopeful.
 

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Good thing is, for once, Ohio isn’t needed for the Democratic candidate to win the election. Between traditionally blue states that went for Trump like Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin...former swing states that are now reliably blue like Virginia and Colorado...the total crapshoot that is Florida...a former red state that might go blue for the first time in a while in Arizona...and North Carolina which went for Obama in 2008 and where Biden is currently leading according to polls...there are just a lot of paths to a Biden victory. Basically Trump has to win Ohio, but Biden doesn’t. And that makes me hopeful.
No Republican has ever won without Ohio. I will be heartbroken if, even with a Biden win, Ohio stands by Trump. It would kill the win streak and leave a stain on the state forever.
 

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People said this in 2016. I think it's just that he's terrible.
Given how shell-shocked he looked when he won in 2016, I don't think he intended to. I think the Democrats just done fucked up by rigging the game in favor of Hillary, who barely even edged out Trump in the white women demographic that she should have crushed. Biden is leading in that demo by about four times what Hillary pulled in 2016 right now, which is just embarrassing.
 

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I think Trump is trying to lose.
He wants Trump TV. Being the Republican Kingmaker appeals to him far more than being locked in the Presidential cage. The only problem is he would have to lose to do that and he also doesn't want that

Trump has started his attacks on Fox more for that reason than anything else imo. He wants to weaken Fox so he can swoop in with a rebranded OANN as Trump TV and replace them. (He'd prolly use OANN, maybe not. He might just start a new one but I kinda think it'll be OANN) It's good time to do it as Ailes is dead and Murdoch has been lessening his involvement lately.
 

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