2020 Presidential Election Preview: The Race to the Bottom

Who should the Democrats Nominate in 2020?

  • Diamond Joe Biden

    Votes: 11 11.7%
  • Bolshevik Bernie Sanders

    Votes: 23 24.5%
  • Kommie Kamala Harris

    Votes: 4 4.3%
  • Corey Booger

    Votes: 1 1.1%
  • "P________" Elizabeth Warren

    Votes: 15 16.0%
  • Beto DUI O'Rourke

    Votes: 12 12.8%
  • Kryin' Kristen Gillibrand

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Mayor Butt.. Buttijudge? Mayor Pete.

    Votes: 6 6.4%
  • Juliyawn Castro

    Votes: 5 5.3%
  • Other Dem Not Listed

    Votes: 20 21.3%

  • Total voters
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King Stannis

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Having seen a little bit more information coming out on it, I don't know if we should take the Pete surge as the new reality. He's still not polling that great with minorities.
Unbelievably, most voters aren't paying much mind to the primaries right now. They don't seek out information. So whatever happens to lead the headlines will likely stick.

Whomever wins Iowa, or does well, will get a lot of press that virtually all voters will see. If Pete in wins in IA, I can all but guarantee that his national numbers will skyrocket.

The same can be said of the Big Three if they win. Warren, if she can hold onto 2nd there, will be in great shape moving in NH.

Numbers aside, one must feel out what is happening with the masses.

My gut (and the favorable/unfavorable game) tells me that all Pete needs is a big break to really get rolling. He is too well liked, and not disliked, to not pick up steam once he appears to be a legitimate candidate to win it all.

My gut also tells me that the voters are 1) nearly shell-shocked from 3 years of Trump, and endless bullshit, and 2) Are looking for safe rather than bold.

People need to listen to what the @CleveRocks and @jking948s of the world, those on the near side of the divide, Center-Right, Center-Left, that make up the true electors of national elections, are saying.

The Bernies and Warrens of the Party will get their chance, and it will happen, but I don't think that time is 2020.
 

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I will vote for anyone not named Donald Trump at this point but I gotta say I have little desire to vote for Warren and even less for Sanders. Biden if he was 20 years younger, I'd get more enthused about. I really like Mayor Pete. He's green but he's more mature than most of these yahoos who have been in government too long.
 

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Unbelievably, most voters aren't paying much mind to the primaries right now. They don't seek out information. So whatever happens to lead the headlines will likely stick.

Whomever wins Iowa, or does well, will get a lot of press that virtually all voters will see. If Pete in wins in IA, I can all but guarantee that his national numbers will skyrocket.

The same can be said of the Big Three if they win. Warren, if she can hold onto 2nd there, will be in great shape moving in NH.

Numbers aside, one must feel out what is happening with the masses.

My gut (and the favorable/unfavorable game) tells me that all Pete needs is a big break to really get rolling. He is too well liked, and not disliked, to not pick up steam once he appears to be a legitimate candidate to win it all.

My gut also tells me that the voters are 1) nearly shell-shocked from 3 years of Trump, and endless bullshit, and 2) Are looking for safe rather than bold.

People need to listen to what the @CleveRocks and @jking948s of the world, those on the near side of the divide, Center-Right, Center-Left, that make up the true electors of national elections, are saying.

The Bernies and Warrens of the Party will get their chance, and it will happen, but I don't think that time is 2020.
I was going to ask your opinion on your first point, only to realize that your first word was Unbelievably.

I've never voted for a democratic primary before, or affiliated with the party, and I've done more research than ever to find my preferred candidate if I chose to vote.

It seems like now is the time to be prepared while leaving the option open to be persuaded.
 

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I will vote for anyone not named Donald Trump at this point but I gotta say I have little desire to vote for Warren and even less for Sanders. Biden if he was 20 years younger, I'd get more enthused about. I really like Mayor Pete. He's green but he's more mature than most of these yahoos who have been in government too long.
Have you or would you vote for a Republican candidate. For example, would you vote for Romney? Pence? Nikki Haley?
Or are you just a Democrat/Party only type of person?
 

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Have you or would you vote for a Republican candidate. For example, would you vote for Romney? Pence? Nikki Haley?
Or are you just a Democrat/Party only type of person?
I have not voted for a Republican for President but have voted down ticket for Republicans. If Romney was in the 2016 race I would have voted for him over Hilary and Trump for sure. Haley, until she sold herself out recently would draw my consideration. Pence would never get my vote.

I could and have pulled the lever on more moderate republicans but I would not vote for far right or religious conservatives. I don't love far left democrats but if my only choice was far left or far right, I'm taking far left every time.
 

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Have you or would you vote for a Republican candidate. For example, would you vote for Romney? Pence? Nikki Haley?
Or are you just a Democrat/Party only type of person?
I voted for Romney. And McCain. Straight ballot GOP in 2004 and 2008, and about half and half in 2012.

Kasich in the 2016 WA Primary.
 

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I voted for Romney. And McCain. Straight ballot GOP in 2004 and 2008, and about half and half in 2012.

Kasich in the 2016 WA Primary.
I registered to vote in the Ohio republican primary just to vote for Kasich
 

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I've maybe voted fewer than 10 times for a republican candidate in over 30-some years of voting. In those instances, either I strongly opposed the democratic candidate due to severe character issues or the republican was very moderate, close to centrist.

I don't vote straight democratic ticket though. I will vote for a 3rd party candidates on occasion. I'm a twice Nader for president voter. I've voted for Green Party candidates in the past, too. The less local the election, the less likely I am willing to vote for a republican candidate.
 

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This is a total drive-by tweet, so moderator privilege, but I thought this was a really interesting tweet (and article).

This highlights the issue with Pete IMO. Hope and change became some hope and incremental change. Pete is running like we can just go back to the way we did things before 2016 without acknowledging that it led to 2016. Of course white liberals like it. I feel like his base is the people who pretend that Obama had zero scandals.
 

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This highlights the issue with Pete IMO. Hope and change became some hope and incremental change. Pete is running like we can just go back to the way we did things before 2016 without acknowledging that it led to 2016. Of course white liberals like it. I feel like his base is the people who pretend that Obama had zero scandals.
So who should White Liberals like?
 

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With impeachment hearings, I gotta sit this debate out. Too much politics in one day. Interested to hear if Bernie can make a splash, if Biden can stop the bleeding, or if Pete starts to come under fire due to recent Iowa polls.
 

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So who should White Liberals like?
That would depend on your definition of should.

Do you think Pete has a real chance of exciting minority voters? Hard to win the nom and even harder to win the general without them.
 

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That would depend on your definition of should.

Do you think Pete has a real chance of exciting minority voters? Hard to win the nom and even harder to win the general without them.
I think everyone but Booker, Biden and Harris will have issues with minority voters.

The ticket will have to be balanced in any event.

Pete will have a better chance with them than Bernie or Warren.
 

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If the last three years are any indication, any moderate Democrat will beat Trump. I think Mayor Pete is going to have his moment once the field narrows. There are only 4 choices and honestly I think it's two...BIden and Buttigieg.

Wish Franken was running.
 

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