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Through Bieber's start last night, here are the swinging strike %'s for our starters with last year's number in parenthesis:

Bieber - 18.1% (14.0%)
Clevinger - 13.3% (15.2%)
Carrasco - 18.4% (14.9%)
Civale - 16.0% (8.8%)
Plutko - 16.3% (8.4%)
Plesac - 20.4% (9.5%)

Obviously, those numbers will not remain as high as they currently are, but we can certainly enjoy the early returns.

For reference, Gerrit Cole led the league at 16.8% last year.
 
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Through Bieber's start last night, here are the swinging strike %'s for our starters with last year's number in parenthesis:

Bieber - 18.1% (14.0%)
Clevinger - 13.3% (15.2%)
Carrasco - 18.4% (14.9%)
Civale - 16.0% (8.8%)
Plutko - 16.3% (8.4%)
Plesac - 20.4% (9.5%)

Obviously, those numbers will not remain as high as they currently are, but we can certainly enjoy the early returns.

For reference, Gerrit Cole led the lead at 16.8% last year.
C'mon Derek, let's just live in the moment...keep your focus on the here and now, not historical precedents.
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C'mon Derek, let's just live in the moment...keep your focus on the here and now, not historical precedents.
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If Plesac and Civale can even keep their's at 10.5%+ moving forward, that would be huge. Their inability to miss bats at a decent rate was my greatest cause for pause despite their early success.
 

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If Plesac and Civale can even keep their's at 10.5%+ moving forward, that would be huge. Their inability to miss bats at a decent rate was my greatest cause for pause despite their early success.
As well as it should have been...guys can improve, but it is not something you can just count on.
 

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As well as it should have been...guys can improve, but it is not something you can just count on.
Exactly.

Without being a fly on the wall in off-season bullpen sessions and having access to the mounds and mounds of data they collect during workouts, the best we can do is use statistics that are proven to have a strong correlation with future performance.
 
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Part of the early success can probably be due to pitchers generally ahead of batters.

But most importantly the Indians as an org do a better job of preparing for any contingency. I thought as soon as ST was canceled that the Tribe would have an advantage whenever baseball returned, because of the organizational culture.

Our starters buy into that, and were ready to go when they got the greenlight. While other pitchers were building up, ours were tuning up.

And it shows. In seven games Tribe starters have gone at least six innings. In six starts, no Twins pitcher has gone more than five.
 

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Part of the early success can probably be due to pitchers generally ahead of batters.

But most importantly the Indians as an org do a better job of preparing for any contingency. I thought as soon as ST was canceled that the Tribe would have an advantage whenever baseball returned, because of the organizational culture.

Our starters buy into that, and were ready to go when they got the greenlight. While other pitchers were building up, ours were tuning up.

And it shows. In seven games Tribe starters have gone at least six innings. In six starts, no Twins pitcher has gone more than five.
I think it's been very clear that the Indians pitchers are far readier than their counterparts around the league.

While our guys have been limited to 90-95 pitches the first time through, most teams are struggling to get more than 75 pitches out of their guys.
 
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In two games against the Indians the Twins have scored 4 runs (2.0 per game). In their other five games they averaged 7.2 runs per game.

In three games against the Indians the White Sox averaged 3.33 rpg. In their other four games they averaged 5.0

In three games against the Indians the Royals averaged 1.7 rpg. In their other five games they are averaging 5.6.

It's not that the batters aren't ready. They're doing fine against other opponents. The Indians pitchers have been pretty darn good. Maybe not as good as the early numbers suggest, but very good. We expected Bieber to be great, but the bullpen and the 3-5 starters have been surprisingly effective.

These next two games against the Twins will be interesting. Let's see how Cookie and Civale do against that lineup. And as bad as the Indians are swinging the bat can they break out against Maeda and Bailey?

Tito called them out last night, stating they're chasing too many pitches. One guy who's done a nice job is Domingo Santana with seven walks in 20 plate appearances. His OBP is .524 and his OPS is .832. In his last three games he's 3-for-6 with four walks. He's also been fine in the outfield and even threw out a guy trying for a double off the wall last night. It's too early to tell but he might be a solid pickup.
 
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Through Bieber's start last night, here are the swinging strike %'s for our starters with last year's number in parenthesis:

Bieber - 18.1% (14.0%)
Clevinger - 13.3% (15.2%)
Carrasco - 18.4% (14.9%)
Civale - 16.0% (8.8%)
Plutko - 16.3% (8.4%)
Plesac - 20.4% (9.5%)

Obviously, those numbers will not remain as high as they currently are, but we can certainly enjoy the early returns.

For reference, Gerrit Cole led the league at 16.8% last year.
It's amazing that Civale, Plutko and Plesac have ALL doubled their swinging strike percentage. I wonder if it's a coincidence that all three started against the same team (White Sox).

Obviously swinging strikes don't equate to strikeouts exactly, but I assume there is a very strong correlation. If you take out the three games against the Indians, the White Sox averaged 8.4 K's per game which would put them right about average. But they sure swung and missed a lot against the Tribe.

Plutko only fanned 4 of the 23 Sox hitters he faced despite the 16.3% swinging strike percentage. I guess he got them to miss early in the count.
 

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