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2021-2022 Cavaliers General Discussion: Trade Deadline Edition

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Who Should the Cavs Trade For?

  • Murray

    Votes: 18 37.5%
  • Lavert

    Votes: 17 35.4%
  • White

    Votes: 1 2.1%
  • Seth Curry

    Votes: 1 2.1%
  • Schroeder

    Votes: 7 14.6%
  • Tatum

    Votes: 3 6.3%
  • Hart

    Votes: 3 6.3%
  • Ingram

    Votes: 1 2.1%
  • Brown

    Votes: 2 4.2%
  • Jim Chones

    Votes: 9 18.8%

  • Total voters
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So there should be no attitude shift because, big picture, we haven’t done anything yet. So there’s no reason to change our approach and our attitude. We got 82 games-plus is what our goal is. So until we have a final puzzle to look at, we haven’t done anything. So our approach should never change. We are the underdog. - JBB after the OKC game
 
- In regards to making a trade, I'd be hesitant unless the price is right. I'm not giving up our draft picks this year. They're too valuable. Eric Gordon is a name thrown around, but he's 33 & has a long history of injuries. I wouldn't trade Rubio for him at all even if they were the ones offering draft compensation.
He may be 33 but since Dec. 1 he's hitting 54% from the field and an astonishing 46.7% on 3's. I'd love to slot him in next to Garland. But why would they trade a really good player making $18 million this year for a guy who can't play and is making $18 million? I suppose the answer would be that they would rather not have him on the team next year than pay him $19.6 M in '20-'22. The Cavs would have to make the cap space to pay him that next year.

It seems the Rockets are not in the mood to trade Gordon. From The Athletic on Jan. 24:

One name that has been generating a good deal of interest is shooting guard Eric Gordon. The 33-year old is enjoying a bit of a renaissance campaign, shooting a career-best 45.2 percent from 3-point range, and has brought some stability and much-needed professionalism to a young Houston team. The Rockets have received a number of offers for the veteran wing, sources tell The Athletic, but all have been turned down. Barring an offer that simply can’t be ignored, it’s becoming more likely that Gordon remains in Houston past the deadline. There is a good deal of internal admiration for how Gordon carries himself on and off the floor and the work ethic he shows on a daily basis, characteristics the staff is trying to impart on some of their younger players. They are in no rush to ship him away, a much different situation than the one involving Tucker last season.

But the column also says:

The Rockets have made it clear what their priorities are right now: Continue to develop their young backcourt of Jalen Green and Kevin Porter Jr., as well as the other young players around them.

So is it worth paying a 34-year-old Gordon $19.6 million next year if their "priority" is to develop the Green/Porter backcourt and they realisticallly are not going to be a playoff team in '22-'23, which is the final year they're obligated to pay him?

According to sporran.com, the Cavs will have $13.9 million in "practical cap space" next year.


That does not include Sexton, who is a restricted free agent, or Rubio, Rondo, and Ed Davis. Just signing Sexton would put us over the cap. I don't see how we can afford a nearly $20 million player next year even if the Rockets would trade him. We'll also have a first round pick, although much less costly than what we've been drafting lately.
 
I still believe the Cavaliers will be in first place by the end of February. Even without Markkanen, there are not many losses on the horizon, as we're gonna be feeding on cupcakes.
 
Watching the game last night, was the first time I finally thought "this probably isn't sustainable".

Now, I don't know what move is out there......but we desperately need an NBA body that can fill minutes at the guard spot.

DG looks fucking exhausted out there.......and seeing Mobley play high 30's in 3 of 4 makes me a little uneasy.

Obviously we need to try to win games but especially Mobley needs to be managed with care. First NBA season, still growing in to his frame, getting beat to shit every night.

Hoping we can get to the ASG healthy and then supplement the rotation with a guy or two who can soak up minutes.
 
- In regards to making a trade, I'd be hesitant unless the price is right. I'm not giving up our draft picks this year. They're too valuable. Eric Gordon is a name thrown around, but he's 33 & has a long history of injuries. I wouldn't trade Rubio for him at all even if they were the ones offering draft compensation.
Are you saying that even if the Rockets offered Gordon and draft picks for Rubio's expiring you would turn it down?
 
He may be 33 but since Dec. 1 he's hitting 54% from the field and an astonishing 46.7% on 3's. I'd love to slot him in next to Garland. But why would they trade a really good player making $18 million this year for a guy who can't play and is making $18 million? I suppose the answer would be that they would rather not have him on the team next year than pay him $19.6 M in '20-'22. The Cavs would have to make the cap space to pay him that next year.

It seems the Rockets are not in the mood to trade Gordon. From The Athletic on Jan. 24:

One name that has been generating a good deal of interest is shooting guard Eric Gordon. The 33-year old is enjoying a bit of a renaissance campaign, shooting a career-best 45.2 percent from 3-point range, and has brought some stability and much-needed professionalism to a young Houston team. The Rockets have received a number of offers for the veteran wing, sources tell The Athletic, but all have been turned down. Barring an offer that simply can’t be ignored, it’s becoming more likely that Gordon remains in Houston past the deadline. There is a good deal of internal admiration for how Gordon carries himself on and off the floor and the work ethic he shows on a daily basis, characteristics the staff is trying to impart on some of their younger players. They are in no rush to ship him away, a much different situation than the one involving Tucker last season.

But the column also says:

The Rockets have made it clear what their priorities are right now: Continue to develop their young backcourt of Jalen Green and Kevin Porter Jr., as well as the other young players around them.

So is it worth paying a 34-year-old Gordon $19.6 million next year if their "priority" is to develop the Green/Porter backcourt and they realisticallly are not going to be a playoff team in '22-'23, which is the final year they're obligated to pay him?

According to sporran.com, the Cavs will have $13.9 million in "practical cap space" next year.


That does not include Sexton, who is a restricted free agent, or Rubio, Rondo, and Ed Davis. Just signing Sexton would put us over the cap. I don't see how we can afford a nearly $20 million player next year even if the Rockets would trade him. We'll also have a first round pick, although much less costly than what we've been drafting lately.

Gordon is a 37% shooter from 3 for his career who is shooting way over that average. I think it may be fool's gold to expect that to continue if he is traded, and especially at his age.
 
Some thoughts on the Cavaliers from a fan perspective:

- Garland is a max player. There's no doubt about it. Once he's eligible for an extension, the Cavs brass should rush to his house & offer it, similar to how they did with Irving in 2014.

- My offer for Rubio would be 4 years, $50 million. I think that's a fair contract for both sides. I really hope we bring him back. With Sexton returning from injury, Rubio's minutes will be reduced.

- As for Sexton, I'd offer him the same contract Allen got. 5 years, $100 million with a 5% increase per year. I think it's a lot of money, but the upside is huge.

- In regards to making a trade, I'd be hesitant unless the price is right. I'm not giving up our draft picks this year. They're too valuable. Eric Gordon is a name thrown around, but he's 33 & has a long history of injuries. I wouldn't trade Rubio for him at all even if they were the ones offering draft compensation.

- The Kevin Love situation is a bit confusing. Somehow, he's come back to life this year. That said, his past tells you that it might be a fluke. He's been a non-factor since he signed that extension, aside from a good stretch this season. Maybe he's eyeing one last contract. If we get expirings for him, I'd send him straight to the airport. We're flirting with being a tax team, that money can be better used elsewhere, & we could avoid being above it one extra year which could be huge down the road.

- One more thing: Is it possible that the Cavs sign a player of Puerto Rican descent? Examples are Moe Harkless & Shabazz Napier. I think both those guys are good bench players. Napier would be a major upgrade over Pangos. The reason I mention this is because I live in Puerto Rico & our local channels tend to favor teams that have these guys (especially in the MLB). It's weird though because this year, we haven't gotten any Kings games. Maybe it's because Harkless is somewhat irrelevant. Napier played for the Puerto Rican national team so I bet he'd get y'all more air time here, which is good for me.
Galrand's a max player. He'll get that offer from Cavs or another team.

That's too long and too much money for Rubio at his age coming off his current injury. There's no guarantee he'll get back to the type of player he was this season. I'd got 3 years, $36M tops.

If you pay Sexton more than $16M per, it's a mistake. Frankly, I'd offer him $14M per and challenge him to get more in F.A. Also, 5 years is too long with a player you're not sure can fit into what you're trying to do. If he wants more money if he's signed for longer, as was reportedly the issue during his extension talks, that should be an easy choice. Give him less money over less years.

I'm coming around to keeping Love for the postseason unless the Blazers are willing to trade him for CJ. They need his shooting off the bench.

Is Napeir even in the NBA anymore? Harkless is cashed. Neither guy has shown the slightest bit of promise in years.
 
I still believe the Cavaliers will be in first place by the end of February. Even without Markkanen, there are not many losses on the horizon, as we're gonna be feeding on cupcakes.
We've been choking on those cupcakes lately, almost losing to New York and OKC. But after a couple of games to adjust to Marky being out I'm hopeful they will get back to the level they were playing before he was hurt, or very close to it.
 
Watching the game last night, was the first time I finally thought "this probably isn't sustainable".

Now, I don't know what move is out there......but we desperately need an NBA body that can fill minutes at the guard spot.

DG looks fucking exhausted out there.......and seeing Mobley play high 30's in 3 of 4 makes me a little uneasy.

Obviously we need to try to win games but especially Mobley needs to be managed with care. First NBA season, still growing in to his frame, getting beat to shit every night.

Hoping we can get to the ASG healthy and then supplement the rotation with a guy or two who can soak up minutes.
That’s the line Koby has to walk. Is it worth it to move valuable assets and or trade capital for a short term fix that may not be a good fit in a year or two?
Teams are figuring out how to defend the Cavs, pressure and physicality with Garland, get it out of his hands. But that wasn’t the makeup of the team at the beginning of the year- far from it.
I don’t want to see the joy sucked out of the team, but burning assets this year isn’t the solution. They didn’t even have Allen last night and they still beat a quality Knicks team.
It’s a conundrum, no doubt about it.
 
If you pay Sexton more than $16M per, it's a mistake. Frankly, I'd offer him $14M per and challenge him to get more in F.A.
I'm inclined to keep and extend Sexton. This year he agreed to change his game to be more of an off-the-ball player instead of running the offense. This is exactly what he needs to do. Knowing how relentlessly Sexton works on his game I have little doubt he'll be just as effective a scorer working off the ball as he was last year when he dominated the ball.

He's a very talented athlete who outworks everybody and I believe that talent plus an almost maniacal work ethic will yield great results. He's a tremendous shooting guard in a point guard's body, but I think his burst and jumping ability will make up for being 3-4" shorter than ideal for the position. The key will be improving his 3-point shot, but he is so good at blowing by defenders that they don't dare crowd him on 3's.

Sexton is witnessing Love and Markanen adjust their roles for the good of the team. Marky switched positions like Sexton is being asked to do and the team is thriving. Love is coming off the bench and playing fewer minutes and the team (and Love) are thriving.

Sexton may be asked to do all of it; come off the bench, play fewer minutes, AND switch positions. The first two parts are obviously not the direction he wants his career to go - I'm sure his goal is to be an All-Star and 6th men, no matter how well they play, don't make All-Star teams. So I expect Collin will be moving on in free agency after next season if we don't move him before then.

I think he could be very good at what JBB will want him to do next year, but I don't think he wants to make a career out of it.
 
That’s the line Koby has to walk. Is it worth it to move valuable assets and or trade capital for a short term fix that may not be a good fit in a year or two?
Teams are figuring out how to defend the Cavs, pressure and physicality with Garland, get it out of his hands. But that wasn’t the makeup of the team at the beginning of the year- far from it.
I don’t want to see the joy sucked out of the team, but burning assets this year isn’t the solution. They didn’t even have Allen last night and they still beat a quality Knicks team.
It’s a conundrum, no doubt about it.
If there's any short-term moves to be made with Rubio's expiring, second round picks, etc. (and isn't there still some kind of exception for JaVale McGee?) then I'm fine with it. I'm nervous about how hard we're leaning on DG, feels like we're running him hard and putting him away wet on the regular.

If it comes down to moving off a potential long term core piece then I'd prefer to stand pat.
 
I'm inclined to keep and extend Sexton. This year he agreed to change his game to be more of an off-the-ball player instead of running the offense. This is exactly what he needs to do. Knowing how relentlessly Sexton works on his game I have little doubt he'll be just as effective a scorer working off the ball as he was last year when he dominated the ball.

He's a very talented athlete who outworks everybody and I believe that talent plus an almost maniacal work ethic will yield great results. He's a tremendous shooting guard in a point guard's body, but I think his burst and jumping ability will make up for being 3-4" shorter than ideal for the position. The key will be improving his 3-point shot, but he is so good at blowing by defenders that they don't dare crowd him on 3's.

Sexton is witnessing Love and Markanen adjust their roles for the good of the team. Marky switched positions like Sexton is being asked to do and the team is thriving. Love is coming off the bench and playing fewer minutes and the team (and Love) are thriving.

Sexton may be asked to do all of it; come off the bench, play fewer minutes, AND switch positions. The first two parts are obviously not the direction he wants his career to go - I'm sure his goal is to be an All-Star and 6th men, no matter how well they play, don't make All-Star teams. So I expect Collin will be moving on in free agency after next season if we don't move him before then.

I think he could be very good at what JBB will want him to do next year, but I don't think he wants to make a career out of it.
I think they might come to something that is in the mutual best interest of both the team and of Sexton. Sexton needs a few show-me/make-good seasons to re-establish his value after he rehabs, and if that proves to help the Cavs move to the next level it helps everybody. I wouldn't be surprised to see a shorter term deal (maybe 3 years) that keeps Sexton in a comfortable financial range for both him and the team while they determine how and where he fits on this roster, or anyone's roster for that matter.

Once that is more settled it should become more clear if Sexton should be considered a long term fit for this team, or if he would be better off with someone else, in which case he should bring back something of value.

But selling low right now with him still rehabbing would be beyond stupid for everyone.
 
I'm inclined to keep and extend Sexton. This year he agreed to change his game to be more of an off-the-ball player instead of running the offense. This is exactly what he needs to do. Knowing how relentlessly Sexton works on his game I have little doubt he'll be just as effective a scorer working off the ball as he was last year when he dominated the ball.

He's a very talented athlete who outworks everybody and I believe that talent plus an almost maniacal work ethic will yield great results. He's a tremendous shooting guard in a point guard's body, but I think his burst and jumping ability will make up for being 3-4" shorter than ideal for the position. The key will be improving his 3-point shot, but he is so good at blowing by defenders that they don't dare crowd him on 3's.

Sexton is witnessing Love and Markanen adjust their roles for the good of the team. Marky switched positions like Sexton is being asked to do and the team is thriving. Love is coming off the bench and playing fewer minutes and the team (and Love) are thriving.

Sexton may be asked to do all of it; come off the bench, play fewer minutes, AND switch positions. The first two parts are obviously not the direction he wants his career to go - I'm sure his goal is to be an All-Star and 6th men, no matter how well they play, don't make All-Star teams. So I expect Collin will be moving on in free agency after next season if we don't move him before then.

I think he could be very good at what JBB will want him to do next year, but I don't think he wants to make a career out of it.
I'm not sure where the confidence that Sexton will become a completely different player, and happily accept a bench role, comes from, but suffice to say, I don't share it. It strikes me that there's a good deal of supposition, if not outright wish casting here. It's fine to hope for the best, but it's really unwise to pay players based on the most optimistic projections you can come up with for them when the evidence of them getting there is scant at best.
 
I'm not sure where the confidence that Sexton will become a completely different player, and happily accept a bench role, comes from, but suffice to say, I don't share it. It strikes me that there's a good deal of supposition, if not outright wish casting here. It's fine to hope for the best, but it's really unwise to pay players based on the most optimistic projections you can come up with for them when the evidence of them getting there is scant at best.
There is information out there indicating both sides are in positive agreement and Sexton is on board to move forward in whatever role it is that the Cavs need him to fill.
 
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