2021-2022 Cavaliers General Discussion: Trade Deadline Edition

[JJ_PR]

Are you saying that even if the Rockets offered Gordon and draft picks for Rubio's expiring you would turn it down?

I'm just trying to put into perspective my thoughts on trading for Gordon. I'm not giving up our second rounders for him. We could get difference makers for cheap with those picks.

 

[RonG]

Galrand's a max player. He'll get that offer from Cavs or another team.

That's too long and too much money for Rubio at his age coming off his current injury. There's no guarantee he'll get back to the type of player he was this season. I'd got 3 years, $36M tops.

If you pay Sexton more than $16M per, it's a mistake. Frankly, I'd offer him $14M per and challenge him to get more in F.A. Also, 5 years is too long with a player you're not sure can fit into what you're trying to do. If he wants more money if he's signed for longer, as was reportedly the issue during his extension talks, that should be an easy choice. Give him less money over less years.

I'm coming around to keeping Love for the postseason unless the Blazers are willing to trade him for CJ. They need his shooting off the bench.

Is Napeir even in the NBA anymore? Harkless is cashed. Neither guy has shown the slightest bit of promise in years.

Couple things on Sexton, even at 18 million a year it's a very easy contract to trade, no matter the years, given his production and work ethic. All it takes is a quick look around the league at what other SG's are getting paid with the same production.

That said, if Sexton does take a discount for 14 to 18 million a year. I can't see them taking more than 3 years, because he will want to prove he still has it and get paid long term. More than likely the Cavs will tey and front load whatever deal they can with him.

 

[CavsKermit]

There is information out there indicating both sides are in positive agreement and Sexton is on board to move forward in whatever role it is that the Cavs need him to fill.

I mean my wife and I are in positive agreement that I should get a job that pays a lot more than the one I currently have. That doesn't mean I'm getting the job.

 

[CavsKermit]

Couple things on Sexton, even at 18 million a year it's a very easy contract to trade, no matter the years, given his production and work ethic. All it takes is a quick look around the league at what other SG's are getting paid with the same production.

That said, if Sexton does take a discount for 14 to 18 million a year. I can't see them taking more than 3 years, because he will want to prove he still has it and get paid long term. More than likely the Cavs will tey and front load whatever deal they can with him.

Is it? What comps are you using to arrive at that conclusion? Eric Gordon had negative value during his entire extension until this season, and he's only got one more year on his contract after this. You sign Sexton to a five-year deal at $18M per, and things don't work out, and you'll be looking at multiple unprotected picks to unload him. Reggie Jackson had negative trade value for all but one year he was on the Pistons.

 

[buzzdog]

I mean my wife and I are in positive agreement that I should get a job that pays a lot more than the one I currently have. That doesn't mean I'm getting the job.

Well, if you hated your wife, your occupation, or your salary half as much as you despise Sexton, I'd agree you should get a divorce and change careers. All I'm saying is there's credible info out there that Sexton and the Cavs are likely to move forward in some fashion, so don't be surprised or butt-hurt if and when it happens.

 

[RonG]

Is it? What comps are you using to arrive at that conclusion? Eric Gordon had negative value during his entire extension until this season, and he's only got one more year on his contract after this. You sign Sexton to a five-year deal at $18M per, and things don't work out, and you'll be looking at multiple unprotected picks to unload him. Reggie Jackson had negative trade value for all but one year he was on the Pistons.

#1 you are comparing a 33 year old to a 23 year old. This makes zero sense.

#2 go look at the sg's out there from 23 to 28 and see what they make with simular stats as Sexton.

#3 look at the trades over the last 5 seasons of SG's. I think you are juat shooting from the hip with your opinion.

 

[cliffdawg]

We've been choking on those cupcakes lately, almost losing to New York and OKC.

If you been paying attention to those same cupcakes around the league and I’m sure you have, they have been beating some pretty good teams lately , or at least playing them tough,…….OKC, Detroit, Orlando,etc etc all have either beaten or gave some good team a tough game lately ….I think we’re still a little spoiled from our early season success and not taking in consideration teams are planning us better and taking us pretty seriously now and not to mention we are having injuries problems with our 8 man rotation …..

 

[CavsKermit]

Well, if you hated your wife, your occupation, or your salary half as much as you despise Sexton, I'd agree you should get a divorce and change careers. All I'm saying is there's credible info out there that Sexton and the Cavs are likely to move forward in some fashion, so don't be surprised or butt-hurt if and when it happens.

Personal, ad hominem attacks aside, it's telling that people aren't really justifying a decision to pay Sexton big money on its own merits in relation to his actual market value.

 

[CavsKermit]

#1 you are comparing a 33 year old to a 23 year old. This makes zero sense.

#2 go look at the sg's out there from 23 to 28 and see what they make with simular stats as Sexton.

#3 look at the trades over the last 5 seasons of SG's. I think you are juat shooting from the hip with your opinion.

No, no, no. You said it would be easy to trade Sexton on an $18M deal, coming off an injury, and in a reduced role. You don't get give me a research project in response. What comps are you using to support that assertion?

 

[dms]

We've been choking on those cupcakes lately, almost losing to New York and OKC. But after a couple of games to adjust to Marky being out I'm hopeful they will get back to the level they were playing before he was hurt, or very close to it.

I wouldn't call it choking, given our current injury situation a pretty good case can be made that the Knicks had more talent than us. There comes a point where you just can't adjust to talent being out, and we maybe at that point. Without Markkanen and with Osman reverting back to his norm, it's going to be a struggle to score, and anytime we play a team who gets hot we will be in big trouble. Even with Markkanen all our games have been coming down to the final minute, without him I just have grave doubts.

 

[buzzdog]

Personal, ad hominem attacks aside, it's telling that people aren't really justifying a decision to pay Sexton big money on its own merits in relation to his actual market value.

First, I was just responding to your own post where you brought up your wife and job, and combining that concept with your obvious and complete hatred for everything and anything that involves Sexton.

Second, almost everyone else here sees how Sexton could and would be an asset to this team as currently constructed, and many posts have been made justifying contract ideas on merits in relation to his actual value... except for you, who always undervalues and discounts Sexton as a player.

 

[RonG]

No, no, no. You said it would be easy to trade Sexton on an $18M deal, coming off an injury, and in a reduced role. You don't get give me a research project in response. What comps are you using to support that assertion?

I'm not giving you a project, its not a lot of leg work. Secondly it's not a major knee injury.

Just look at sporttrac and try and justify your stance.

NBA Rankings

Listing the top salaries, cap-hits, contracts, bonuses, and more for all active NBA players.

www.spotrac.com

 

[cliffdawg]

There is information out there indicating both sides are in positive agreement and Sexton is on board to move forward in whatever role it is that the Cavs need him to fill.

If him and his agent learn anything from Dennis Schroder that would be smart of him……

 

[CavsKermit]

I'm not giving you a project, its not a lot of leg work. Secondly it's not a major knee injury.

Just look at sporttrac and try and justify your stance.

NBA Rankings

Listing the top salaries, cap-hits, contracts, bonuses, and more for all active NBA players.

www.spotrac.com

There's not a single other sixth man in the NBA who makes $18M per. Not one. The Jazz are struggling to move Clarkson for value, who won sixth man of the year last season, and he makes $13m per for two more seasons after this. Again, your assertion was that Sexton will be easy to trade at $18M per. He will not be easy to trade.

 

[daytripper]

Is it? What comps are you using to arrive at that conclusion? Eric Gordon had negative value during his entire extension until this season, and he's only got one more year on his contract after this. You sign Sexton to a five-year deal at $18M per, and things don't work out, and you'll be looking at multiple unprotected picks to unload him. Reggie Jackson had negative trade value for all but one year he was on the Pistons.

Over the span of his entire career Gordon has missed approx 40 games per season due to injury. He played 36 games in 2019-20 and 27 games last season. EGo has a 14 year track history of missing games. He's making $18 mil this season and the Rockets are still apparently demanding a FRP for him.

IOW you don't let youngish 20+ PPG scorers walk for nothing. If they can get him at $18 mil per season that will not only fill a need for scoring on this team but he will have trade value moving forward. Sexton averaged 24.3 PPG last season which was just behind Harden in that category. Gordon has only had 2 seasons where he averaged 20 PPG. Say what you want about Sexton but he's a walking bucket. He's coming off an injury and there are only a few teams (notably Detroit and San Antonio) that have big capspace this summer. The Cavs might be sitting in a good position to resign him at a decent rate. Apparently Sexton wants to remain with the team. We shall see..