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2021-2022 Cavaliers General Discussion: Trade Deadline Edition

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Who Should the Cavs Trade For?

  • Murray

    Votes: 18 37.5%
  • Lavert

    Votes: 17 35.4%
  • White

    Votes: 1 2.1%
  • Seth Curry

    Votes: 1 2.1%
  • Schroeder

    Votes: 7 14.6%
  • Tatum

    Votes: 3 6.3%
  • Hart

    Votes: 3 6.3%
  • Ingram

    Votes: 1 2.1%
  • Brown

    Votes: 2 4.2%
  • Jim Chones

    Votes: 9 18.8%

  • Total voters
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Not going to pretend to have scouted LaVert. This team is in dire need of someone other than Garland who teams respect driving and penetrating.

With no Garland on the floor, teams spread out around the perimeter and all we can do is pass outside of the three point line. It usually ends up in a very raw Mobley contested off balance iso, a late in the clock awkward entry pass to a big, or a long mid-range pull up by a non shooter.

Anyone who can collapse a defense and get them moving around is fine with me.
I basically posted the same thing but you beat me to it.
 
Taller is true. I think it is the only real advantage Caris has. He isn't the better defender. I don't think you can say that with confidence. He regularly gets targetted while Collin is usually targetted more off ball as he is annoying on ball.

Collin scores better from everywhere.

The playmaking thing is amazing as well. He is half an assist more per 100 poss

He's taller. A lot of people who are "better than Sexton" fit in that category. THey are taller and older than him
e.g. I'm taller and older than Collin Sexton.
 
Not going to pretend to have scouted LaVert. This team is in dire need of someone other than Garland who teams respect driving and penetrating.

With no Garland on the floor, teams spread out around the perimeter and all we can do is pass outside of the three point line. It usually ends up in a very raw Mobley contested off balance iso, a late in the clock awkward entry pass to a big, or a long mid-range pull up by a non shooter.

Anyone who can collapse a defense and get them moving around is fine with me.
Okay, but if you're the opposing defense, why don't you just collapse the paint and dare LaVert to drive? Especially on a team that has Allen and Mobley on it. He's not Garland. He doesn't have his floor vision, passing ability, or pull up game.
 
Okay, but if you're the opposing defense, why don't you just collapse the paint and dare LaVert to drive? Especially on a team that has Allen and Mobley on it. He's not Garland. He doesn't have his floor vision, passing ability, or pull up game.

You've unlocked it -- He's scoring 18.7 PPG because no team has ever thought about this before....

 
Coby White might be available from Chicago, but I doubt we could afford the price.
Dear Lord, I hope Lauri wouldn't be put into a situation where he again would have to suffer being teammates with C.W. again. It was bad enough Cavs brought in Denzel Valentine...
 
Yes, 18.7 ppg on 16 FGA per game and the Pacers are 19-35. Does any of this sound remotely familiar?

His closest shooting efficiency Comps (in terms of EFG% and PTS on drives and from pull-ups are):

Beal/Fox/Murray/Harden/Tatum/Brogdon

 
His closest shooting efficiency Comps (in terms of EFG% and PTS on drives and from pull-ups are):

Beal/Fox/Murray/Harden/Tatum/Brogdon

This is from the link. These numbers are awful and the Cavs would almost certainly be better off having Allen and Mobley shooting in that space.
 

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This is from the link. These numbers are awful and the Cavs would almost certainly be better having Allen and Mobley from shooting in that space.

Right -- those players are all terrible, and I wouldn't want any of them on the Cavs.

Also - Allen and Mobley have 0.2 and 1.6 PPG on pull-ups, respectively -- so if you are hoping that is your offense, I have some bad news for you.
 
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Right -- those players are all terrible, and I wouldn't want any of them on the Cavs.
All of Beal, Harden, and Fox are having the worst seasons of their careers (which a lot of people attribute to the rule changes re: drawing contact). FWIW, no, I wouldn't want Fox anywhere near this team.

Murray is a good player (much better than LeVert when it comes to running an offense, assists, defense, etc.) who is taking too many shots for the Spurs given his efficiency. It's why they're struggling. He shouldn't be leading a team in FGAs.

If I'm the opposing defense, and I've got Tatum or Brogdon shooting pull ups, then I did my job as the chart demonstrates. The only number on that chart that's remotely impressive is Brogdon's finishing at the trim.
 
Right -- those players are all terrible, and I wouldn't want any of them on the Cavs.

Also - Allen and Mobley have 0.2 and 1.6 PPG on pull-ups, respectively -- so if you are hoping that is your offense, I have some bad news for you.
There's maybe a handful of guys for whom a pull up is a good shot. That's the point. As a team, you want as many good shots as you can get and as few bad shots as possible.
 
There's maybe a handful of guys for whom a pull up is a good shot. That's the point. As a team, you want as many good shots as you can get and as few bad shots as possible.

There are two ways to improve your offense:

+ Raise the Ceiling by increasing the number of high-percentage shots that your team can take.
+ Raise the floor by minimizing the damage of a low-percentage possession.

You do actually have to do both. Yes - it would be great if every possession could end in an Allen dunk or a wide-open Garland 3... But you also need to maximize the value of the guaranteed shots you can get when the possession breaks down.

Levert is a guy who can guarantee you 40% shots with a low-turnover rate on possessions that -- on our current team -- tend to end in 20% shots when Osman or Okoro try to create.
 
Right -- those players are all terrible, and I wouldn't want any of them on the Cavs.

Also - Allen and Mobley have 0.2 and 1.6 PPG on pull-ups, respectively -- so if you are hoping that is your offense, I have some bad news for you.
It might not be efficient right now, but Mobley's game is going to be a hefty number of pull-ups like KG's. The offense will indeed likely suffer until he starts hitting them. That is where the reality of us being a developmental team ruins some of our trophy daydreams. But that is also why we are 32-21 right now.

We need a scorer that pads our offense for quarters 1-3 and then stays out of the way so our guys can develop. I've soured on Eric Gordon (especially for a first rounder) filling that role.
 
There are two ways to improve your offense:

+ Raise the Ceiling by increasing the number of high-percentage shots that your team can take.
+ Raise the floor by minimizing the damage of a low-percentage possession.

You do actually have to do both. Yes - it would be great if every possession could end in an Allen dunk or a wide-open Garland 3... But you also need to maximize the value of the guaranteed shots you can get when the possession breaks down.

Levert is a guy who can guarantee you 40% shots with a low-turnover rate on possessions that -- on our current team -- tend to end in 20% shots when Osman or Okoro try to create.
This assumes that LeVert is only taking those 40% shots when the possession breaks down, versus 17 times a game regardless, which is one heck of an assumption.
 
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