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2021 College Football Season/Playoff Thread

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Worst in football, but adding Kansas to the Big 10 would be incredible for Big 10 basketball. Obviously this is the football thread and they’re terrible at football, but I definitely see the draw to adding them.

Right...the only schools I see out there right now that could potentially improve the profile of the Big 10 in football are ND, Clemson, and Iowa State. To a lesser extent UNC and Miami, but I have less confidence in them maintaining/elevating long-term. Obviously ND and Clemson are no brainers if you can get them but I still have my doubts on that. Kansas makes arguably the best basketball conference even better and could help attract another elite basketball school such as Virginia.
 
Yeah what's interesting is that the Big Ten has always been more then just football. With the academics being so important it is hard to see the conference adding teams that are not top academics schools, or give them access to bigger markets. Adding Kansas would be good for basketball, but from football, academics, and market does not move the needle for the B10.

While it would do little for football, I would love to see them try to steal Duke and NC.

One school that I think would check off most of the boxes would be TCU. They would get the B10 into Texas (money/market), they have good academics, and have had decent success in football and basketball.
 
Expansion/realignment discussion starts and ends with AAU membership. They’re not going to take on a subpar academic institution.
Eh, I think the importance of that decreases with each passing year. They added Nebraska 10 years ago and they're a very mediocre school.

I don't see academics standing in the way of the B1G adding a school at this point...provided the school is at least respectable :chuckle:
 
Eh, I think the importance of that decreases with each passing year. They added Nebraska 10 years ago and they're a very mediocre school.

I don't see academics standing in the way of the B1G adding a school at this point...provided the school is at least respectable :chuckle:

Nebraska was AAU at the time if I'm not mistaken, but I agree. Given the size of this move, I doubt they'd hold up a good deal because the academics didn't meet an arbitrary threshold.
 
Yeah what's interesting is that the Big Ten has always been more then just football. With the academics being so important it is hard to see the conference adding teams that are not top academics schools, or give them access to bigger markets. Adding Kansas would be good for basketball, but from football, academics, and market does not move the needle for the B10.

While it would do little for football, I would love to see them try to steal Duke and NC.

One school that I think would check off most of the boxes would be TCU. They would get the B10 into Texas (money/market), they have good academics, and have had decent success in football and basketball.

With the way streaming platforms have evolved (and will evolve), market size is becoming less-and-less important. What's far more important is the power of the brand and overall size of the fan base. The obvious example is Notre Dame football. Though they are adjacent to Chicago, it's not like South Bend is a booming metropolis. They leveraged a national TV contract solely based on the power of their brand and history.

Specifically in basketball, Duke, UNC, and Kansas have powerful brand recognition with national and even international fanbases that can help drive a streaming platform while not being in major media markets.

Also, Kansas is only 40 min outside of KC. They regularly play games in KC. They would have plenty of pull in that market with no NBA team nearby.
 
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Pac12 is going nowhere. Obviously same with B1G and SEC. Big 12 is obviously done assuming Texas and Oklahoma leave.

ACC could survive. But I’d bet a lot of their schools would go B1G or SEC if given the choice.
 
Pac12 is going nowhere. Obviously same with B1G and SEC. Big 12 is obviously done assuming Texas and Oklahoma leave.

ACC could survive. But I’d bet a lot of their schools would go B1G or SEC if given the choice.


Yeah, I mean the question is how many teams is a conference willing to take on, and how flexible would the Big 10 be on academic standards and market size?

I think 16 is a good number when you look at scheduling for football and basketball. I think the ideal situation at this point for the Big 10 would be to get rid of Rutgers and Nebraska and add ND, Kansas, Iowa State, and Virginia. All are AAU schools.

I know they value media markets, but you benefit most in college sports by having high-level programs. ND has it’s football tradition and a National following. Kansas and Virginia have basketball. Iowa State is regional, has a growing football program with a great coach, and has also produced some very good basketball teams.

Big 10 would easily be the best basketball conference in the country and the Big 10 tournament would be insane every year.

Aside from adding Clemson (who doesn’t meet AAU standards), I’m not sure what other route you could go to improve the football side. Really you’re banking on programs like Iowa State and Indiana continuing to develop and hoping that Michigan at some point regains relevancy.
 
Didn't say it was their job, but it's still a shame to see a major conference die.

Look at Iowa State. They have a good head coach and the chance to build a winner, maybe even make the Playoff. This is killing that dream. Now Iowa State is without the academics or market to join the B1G and is geographically isolated otherwise. Instead of having a chance to become a contender, they get shafted. It's not an easy task to get a team into national contention, and every Power 5 has irrelevant programs.

It's also not just about the 4-loss SEC hypothetical. Ohio State's blemishes will be even more highly scrutinized while SEC losses get dismissed.



What's gonna happen to the PAC? They haven't lost anyone and will have several teams knocking on their door.

The ACC I could see dying, but only if Clemson and/or the Florida teams try to jump to the SEC as well. Otherwise they likely keep Notre Dame in the fold, add WVU, and stay afloat.

I'll believe ND to the B1G when I see it, along with any other poachings.

Iowa State needs to prove it, have every single bit of opportunity to get into the playoff, and likely have an easier road to do it with Texas and OU playing elsewhere in the future.

You can’t argue it’s not their job to prop up the conference and then lament Iowa State not having a shot without them in the league.

In a 12 team playoff, the best of the Big 12 still get in.
 
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Oof.

And tell me ESPN has never been in the middle of the CFP rankings...yeah, right.
 

Oof.

And tell me ESPN has never been in the middle of the CFP rankings...yeah, right.

Suppose we don’t mind that Fox Sports (Big 12) is dropping anonymous quotes here against the biggest media beneficiary of what is a no-brainer move for Oklahoma & Texas?

Better come at me with more than anonymous sources if you’re going to start a media pissing match over the butthurt Fox has for losing their two biggest show ponies on Saturday’s.
 
You can’t argue it’s not their job to prop up the conference and then lament Iowa State not having a shot without them in the league.

Sure I can, I just did. Texas isn't propping up the Big 12 because they especially good at the moment, it's just a big brand. And when the names that normally get benefit of the doubt poll inertia drop away, it hurts the teams with more limited windows to find success. Being the best of the Big 12 will mean less even if Iowa State is actually a better team, and college football is famous for passing over teams based on reputation alone.

One can easily recognize the realities of the sports business without that being a factor in how they feel about sports. I root for Ohio State because I went there and they represent my home state, I don't give a shit what they make in the next TV deal. I totally see why OU/UT are doing this, it still sucks and this super-league talk could end up fucking the sport beyond recognition.
 
Sure I can, I just did. Texas isn't propping up the Big 12 because they especially good at the moment, it's just a big brand. And when the names that normally get benefit of the doubt poll inertia drop away, it hurts the teams with more limited windows to find success. Being the best of the Big 12 will mean less even if Iowa State is actually a better team, and college football is famous for passing over teams based on reputation alone.

One can easily recognize the realities of the sports business without that being a factor in how they feel about sports. I root for Ohio State because I went there and they represent my home state, I don't give a shit what they make in the next TV deal. I totally see why OU/UT are doing this, it still sucks and this super-league talk could end up fucking the sport beyond recognition.

I don’t really buy the concept that any Iowa State season is made better by smacking around a Texas team with a big brand.
 

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