2021 Draft Prospects Thread

[I'mWithDan]

Fun fact: in the past fifteen years, only one wide receiver who was a four year college student and drafted in the first round has had more than a single 1000 yard season. Dwayne Bowe.

I don't see this front office taking Toney.

I truly believe that DePo uses 'Breakout Age' or some kind of equivalent metric. Toney would be off-limits in that case

My understanding is he's a converted QB from HS who has developed as a WR. Seems like the type of guy who could be an exception, no? The one thing I personally like in his profile is he's an underclassmen who listened to evaluators and actually went back to prove he was a first round talent.

Again, he may not be a fit here....but I really like the converted QB's who show this measure of athleticism, production and hands at a converted position. Those guys tend to have a type of potential versatility that pure WR's don't. That element, at least to me, tends to show up in his film after the catch or hand off......where his field vision and ability to shed tackles, as a previous dual threat QB, tend to really show up.

I don't know that he's an ideal fit here......but as an OW, he just has some really intriguing skills, relative to having a creative offensive HC. I think adhering to absolutes is something a GM as good as Berry doesn't always stick to. I know they lean in to things like breakout age but analytically, there's always exceptions that can bend a prospects' curve. I would think guys that profile like Toney, with the requisite quickness / speed / versatility, probably land in that bucket.

Part of it is certainly projection with him....but I'd much rather have the type of versatility Toney provides (catching / running / returning) than someone who is (maybe) a better pure slot receiver at this point in time. But what do I know. I'm an NBA guy parachuting in to the NFL draft discussion on draft day.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

I'm still a big believer in Amon-Ra. I see him as a victim of the PAC 12 dip. Can do some Landry-type things and would be a fantastic replacement for him down the road. Just might not bring that field-stretching element to this year's offense like say, Tamorrion Terry or Jaelon Dardon might.

That's my guy.

Number one player on offense that's low on boards that I love? Terry.

Same thing on defense? Tyree Gillespie.

 

[DJTJ]

Convinced they're taking Javonte

Absolutely perfect fit for what they do.

Not sure how I fucked in the quote but please let’s not breathe this into existence.

 

[kriegs]

My understanding is he's a converted QB from HS who has developed as a WR. Seems like the type of guy who could be an exception, no? The one thing I personally like in his profile is he's an underclassmen who listened to evaluators and actually went back to prove he was a first round talent.

Again, he may not be a fit here....but I really like the converted QB's who show this measure of athleticism, production and hands at a converted position. Those guys tend to have a type of potential versatility that pure WR's don't. That element, at least to me, tends to show up in his film after the catch or hand off......where his field vision and ability to shed tackles, as a previous dual threat QB, tend to really show up.

I don't know that he's an ideal fit here......but as an OW, he just has some really intriguing skills, relative to having a creative offensive HC. I think adhering to absolutes is something a GM as good as Berry doesn't always stick to. I know they lean in to things like breakout age but analytically, there's always exceptions that can bend a prospects' curve. I would think guys that profile like Toney, with the requisite quickness / speed / versatility, probably land in that bucket.

Part of it is certainly projection with him....but I'd much rather have the type of versatility Toney provides (catching / running / returning) than someone who is (maybe) a better pure slot receiver at this point in time. But what do I know. I'm an NBA guy parachuting in to the NFL draft discussion on draft day.

Look, with the QB thing there are often 'reasons' for the late breakout age that make sense. Toney could be one of the exceptions. But if that's his reason, he's still going to be a little bit behind the first couple of years. Sounds like a fun personality too. Just one too many question marks on the profile for me. If he was a 2nd-3rd round guy I wouldn't mind swinging on him one bit but the league seems to be valuing him at his cieling.

 

[kriegs]

That's my guy.

Number one player on offense that's low on boards that I love? Terry.

Same thing on defense? Tyree Gillespie.

Reminds me quite a bit of a downfield threat we swung on late last year. Good player, awful situation. Creates another question in itself but he pretty much gave up this year.

 

[DJTJ]

Look, with the QB thing there are often 'reasons' for the late breakout age that make sense. Toney could be one of the exceptions. But if that's his reason, he's still going to be a little bit behind the first couple of years. Sounds like a fun personality too. Just one too many question marks on the profile for me. If he was a 2nd-3rd round guy I wouldn't mind swinging on him one bit but the league seems to be valuing him at his cieling.

There were a lot of quotes that he does way too much in his route running to actually get open, that he’ll throw off NFL timing routes that could make him successful.

Very fun tape, but if you want a gadget guy, Demetric Felton’s cost is going to be a LOT less.

 

[Hurl Bruce]

@Out of the Rafters at the Q is going to love this! Schrager with us going Campbell in his final mock. Generally regarded as the gold standard for mocks...

https://www.nfl.com/news/peter-schrager-2021-nfl-mock-draft-3-0-eagles-patriots-trade-into-top-10

This guy has no idea what he's doing. I got him for the Browns in the 2nd round of the RCF mock.

 

[Randolphkeys]

This guy has no idea what he's doing. I got him for the Browns in the 2nd round of the RCF mock.

I showed a college friend the RCF Mock. He called it "intense" and checked in on my mental health after figuring out I co-organized it.

 

[kriegs]

There were a lot of quotes that he does way too much in his route running to actually get open, that he’ll throw off NFL timing routes that could make him successful.

Very fun tape, but if you want a gadget guy, Demetric Felton’s cost is going to be a LOT less.

Seems like Felton is someone they dug into a lot and met with. Wouldn't be surprised at all if they added him in the middle rounds.

 

[AZ_]

 

[ohiorulez]

Based purely on RAS - if the Browns don’t clear Farley - have to think Stokes would be preferred over Campbell?

 

[kriegs]

Based purely on RAS - if the Browns don’t clear Farley - have to think Stokes would be preferred over Campbell?

Wouldn't be surprised. If they lean profile it would probably be Stokes. If they lean scheme fit it might be Campbell. Wouldn't be pissed with either

 

[Cement]

 

[Ozone]

I am thinking Parsons might slide enough they move up for him now.

 

[Ozone]

Wouldn't be surprised. If they lean profile it would probably be Stokes. If they lean scheme fit it might be Campbell. Wouldn't be pissed with either

Robert Rochell is more athletic than both just saying