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CBBI said:
No see you're still missing the point. Just because a team blitzes doesn't mean that they put the QB under duress. Blitzes get successfully picked up all the time.

Let's say you're a QB. The defense sends a blitz of 5 guys. Your running back picks up the blitz perfectly and no one gets near and and you go on to complete a long pass. You've just completed a pass against pressure, but you didn't complete a pass under pressure because you weren't under duress to make the throw.

Let's say the defense sends the house, 7 or 8 guys. If you throw a hot route immediately upon receiving the snap way before the defense gets anywhere close to you, that is completion against pressure, not a completion under pressure.

Baker's stats against pressure in 2020 were fine. His stats under pressure were very bad.
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You didnt click the link.. did you?

the one that said Baker was 3rd in the country when under pressure his senior year of college. that seems pretty fucking good. But then again. im not the one that trying to analyze the different types of pressure
 
bob2the2nd said:
You didnt click the link.. did you?

the one that said Baker was 3rd in the country when under pressure his senior year of college. that seems pretty fucking good. But then again. im not the one that trying to analyze the different types of pressure
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Hes got three full years in the league.

I’d argue it’s well past time to put his college “pressure” metrics to bed.
 
Randolphkeys said:
I would question that statistic because Baker had a pretty cushy situation at Oklahoma. He had an NFL caliber surrounding cast at Oklahoma. The only guy who hasn't had a successful NFL career was the center, who became an offensive line coach at the school.

He rarely felt any pressure in college unless a defense blitzed and exposed a huge hole in the secondary. When the defense did blitz, he had starting NFL caliber playmakers facing single coverage.
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I didnt make up the number. i didnt write the article. But being an OU fan i remember that Baker was exceptional under pressure when at OU, and there were a ton of various numbers to support that, and I even linked one. He was great we he faced the blitz, he was great under pressure, and yes he had a great offensive line (just like he does now). There is absolutely 0 fucking reason that Baker should get signficantly better when under pressure, because he has been elite when under pressure.

So when we have posters that say that the GM of the team is going to have to always have a great Oline around Baker because he will never be good under pressure, it really makes me question the poster
 
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AZ_ said:
Hes got three full years in the league.

I’d argue it’s well past time to put his college “pressure” metrics to bed.
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the point AZ is that we have posters on this board that claim baker has always been bad under pressure and will always be bad under pressure. My point is that htey are absolutely and 100% completely fucking wrong. Perhaps the poor under pressure numbers are merely a side effect of bad habits developed under previous coaches and a god awful offensive line and we have every expectation to think Baker will get better.

But what do i know, ive only watched him play for the last 6 years
 
bob2the2nd said:
the point AZ is that we have posters on this board that claim baker has always been bad under pressure and will always be bad under pressure. My point is that htey are absolutely and 100% completely fucking wrong. Perhaps the poor under pressure numbers are merely a side effect of bad habits developed under previous coaches and a god awful offensive line and we have every expectation to think Baker will get better.

But what do i know, ive only watched him play for the last 6 years
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Perhaps, but they weren't great under a good coach.

He also had the most time in the pocket of any QB this season, well over 2 seconds.

Not exactly out of line to suggest he can help himself to improve here.
 
Baker was bad under pressure this year. I hope it changes. If it doesn't, I don't think that's a fatal flaw or anything. "You can't make the play? That's fine. We'll focus on limiting pressure, but when it does happen, throw the ball away."

I have to imagine that smaller QB's have more issues against pressure than larger, more physical QB's. It's going to be harder for Baker to throw the ball around a charging behemoth than it is for Josh Allen.
 
bob2the2nd said:
You didnt click the link.. did you?

the one that said Baker was 3rd in the country when under pressure his senior year of college. that seems pretty fucking good. But then again. im not the one that trying to analyze the different types of pressure
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Baker did grade well under pressure in college, but there's two important things to note about that.

1. The total amount of times he was under pressure was not particularly high, so it wasn't a big sample size.

2. This isn't college. We now have three years of evidence, two of which Baker actually played well overall so it's not like we can pin everything on that disaster of a 2019 season, that prove he's just not athletic enough to consistently escape the pocket with his legs like he often did in college under pressure.

Mayfield has plenty of positives. But he's never going to not be small, slow and scared to get hit. Doesn't mean he can't improve on other things like climbing/sliding and resetting in the pocket. It also doesn't mean he can't be a really good QB either! He was really good this year while still being crummy against pressure.

But those three things (small, slow, scared to get hit) aren't really going to change at this point. Keeping him protected is extremely important.
 
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It isnt as high of a position of need as some others higher on the bb like Owusu-Koramoah but I really like the idea of adding Christian Barmore to the defensive line if he falls to the Browns esp if Z.Collins is gone and maybe if Moehrig is also gone. But I think they will target Wade or Campbell to fix the DB rotation early if all those other options are gone which is likely at 26th. I also like DB Richie Grant in 2nd or WR Kadarius Toney could be a huge get if he is there at 59
 
bob2the2nd said:
So when we have posters that say that the GM of the team is going to have to always have a great Oline around Baker because he will never be good under pressure, it really makes me question the poster
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Mayfield has been the drizzling shits under pressure and awesome not under pressure for three years in a row in the NFL and the posters who point this factual information out to you don't know what they're talking about because we don't really put much stock in Mayfield good numbers under pressure the few times he actually faced it in college which was now going on four years ago?

Got it.
 
CBBI said:
Mayfield has been the drizzling shits under pressure and awesome not under pressure for three years in a row in the NFL and the posters who point this factual information out to you don't know what they're talking about because we don't really put much stock in Mayfield good numbers under pressure the few times he actually faced it in college which was now going on four years ago?

Got it.
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Serious question was he shitty under pressure his rookie year? Because the only article i can find indicates he was 12th in the NFL when it came to dealing with pressure. But i can only find 1 article that deals with it.

Which ones again indicates that this was a habit he picked up in 19-20 when his coaches were absolute shit.
 
bob2the2nd said:
Serious question was he shitty under pressure his rookie year? Because the only article i can find indicates he was 12th in the NFL when it came to dealing with pressure. But i can only find 1 article that deals with it.

Which ones again indicates that this was a habit he picked up in 19-20 when his coaches were absolute shit.
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His coaches were shit in 2020? Got it.
 
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