2021 Minor League Thread

[macbdog]

The idea is to have an improved team next year, not continue to reload.

The FO is not trading Jose, Amed, Franmil, Straw. Forget about it.

Amed is a 3 WAR player who plays in the middle of the defense. He is well worth $4.5 mil...and no set up man, unless he is the reincarnation of prime Andrew Miller, is worth Amed. Besides, an Andrew Miller type gets paid at least twice what Amed will get.

He's making 5.4m now. He won't be after arbitration. The team would be idiotic not to deal him in the offseason when his value is highest, especially with the next Manny Machado (Arias) and the next Lindor (Rocchio) waiting. If the team can get either a needed bat or players who don't need to be 40 manned for Amed they need to strike.

 

[CDAV45]

Amed is a 2 WAR player cause of his negative defense... He is in Arb 2 next season and is a free agent in 24. Plus we have a ton of prospects that can play the same positions as he does at a better defensive clip. I am not saying to trade him just because, but if we can find a 2 WAR lefty reliever with some team control, then we are going to swap production not reload.

Will his defense at SS not improve? Will he not be moved to 2B where his defense may dramatically increase? I can't honestly answer those questions Coach, but Amed is a spark plug and one of the most valuable players this season for us. I'm not moving him for equal value, but that's just my opinion.

 

[DCTribefan]

He's making 5.4m now. He won't be after arbitration. The team would be idiotic not to deal him in the offseason when his value is highest, especially with the next Manny Machado (Arias) and the next Lindor (Rocchio) waiting. If the team can get either a needed bat or players who don't need to be 40 manned for Amed they need to strike.

Gosh, I cannot wait to see the next Machado and Lindor combo. If there was a guarantee of this, Ahmed would have been traded July 31st.

 

[mopete12]

He's making 5.4m now. He won't be after arbitration. The team would be idiotic not to deal him in the offseason when his value is highest, especially with the next Manny Machado (Arias) and the next Lindor (Rocchio) waiting. If the team can get either a needed bat or players who don't need to be 40 manned for Amed they need to strike.

Rosario is making $2.4M this year.

 

[Criznit]

Amed Rosario...

A good player on an average team.
An average player on a good team.

 

[DCTribefan]

Amed Rosario...

A good player on an average team.
An average player on a good team.

What does that mean for a below average team?

 

[DickyLeftridge]

Amed is a 2 WAR player cause of his negative defense... He is in Arb 2 next season and is a free agent in 24. Plus we have a ton of prospects that can play the same positions as he does at a better defensive clip. I am not saying to trade him just because, but if we can find a 2 WAR lefty reliever with some team control, then we are going to swap production not reload.

He’s outperformed expectations this year, by a lot. Why did the FO allow him to be included in the package for our franchise player if what you say is true?

 

[Criznit]

What does that mean for a below average team?

Play everyday as one of your best players at the top of the order and hope he can carry the team, or trade him for someone(s) who may eventually do.

Amed may be one of our "best" players - but he doesn't really move the needle that much. But because options are dicey/unproven I don't care that much. I just get annoyed when he is presented as some sort of awesomeness we fail to appreciate.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

I like Amed as a ball player - a lot.
But after this season you have to gauge his trade value.

His future position on this team is questionable at best. Eventually a better player will be at SS. He doesn't project as a corner OF. He is going to start making the money he deserves. More money than the Guards will feel comfortable with.
We need a solid corner OF. One that we could not afford in free agency. But probably a young veteran we could get in a trade.
Amed and Plesac will be trade bait.

 

[Criznit]

He’s outperformed expectations this year, by a lot. Why did the FO allow him to be included in the package for our franchise player if what you say is true?

Define by a lot? Had Gimenez broke out, who knows where Amed would be now.. CF/4th OF/UTIL maybe?

He has been decent to good and IMO the reason he plays SS now over Gimenez is to increase trade value and that is it. Again look at his career averages and current performance to explain "by a lot". I will concede he has been better defensively SS than I expected, but that doesn't mean he's "good".

I think you guys have convinced me.. Amed Rosario as a Guardian in 2022 is less than 50%.

 

[CATS44]

Lindor and Machado?

Dream on.

Lindor was a concensus Top Ten, and in MLB at age 21.

Machado was a concensus Top Ten, and in MLB at age 19.

Do you know who was the next Lindor/Machado?

Amed Rosario, a concensus Top Ten, and in MLB at age 21.

Do you know who was a Top Fifty prospect, and in MLB at age 21?

Andres Gimenez.

Arias is 21, in AAA, and a Top 100.
Rocchio is 20, in AA, and a Top 100.

We are not turning our middle infield over to two true rookies who have never seen MLB pitching next year.

 

[BimboColesHair]

K number 1 and K number 3 is what is going to make this kid tough to handle. Looks like the exact same pitch until a few feet from the plate, just one ends up in the dirt as it gets to the catchers mitt.

Not a lot left on left changeup crime in baseball right now. The Indians have one coming though.

 

[CDAV45]

Lindor and Machado?

Dream on.

Lindor was a concensus Top Ten, and in MLB at age 21.

Machado was a concensus Top Ten, and in MLB at age 19.

Do you know who was the next Lindor/Machado?

Amed Rosario, a concensus Top Ten, and in MLB at age 21.

Do you know who was a Top Fifty prospect, and in MLB at age 21?

Andres Gimenez.

Arias is 21, in AAA, and a Top 100.
Rocchio is 20, in AA, and a Top 100.

We are not turning our middle infield over to two true rookies who have never seen MLB pitching next year.

While I don't view Amed as anything close to Lindor or Machado because he just isn't, I agree that it's highly unlikely that both MIF positions will be given to 2 true rookies. I said in another post that I'd go with Amed and Gimenez and let the young guns force their way in. I think that would be the best way to go about keeping this team as competitive as possible.

I'm not saying this because I want it to happen, but I'd say the chances of Amed being traded is no less than 50%. His value has to be skyrocketing right now and there are probably half a dozen teams at least that would like to have his services.

Here's the ironic/funny thing about the possibility of Amed being on another roster next season. I would have far more regret seeing that happen then watching Lindor leave. I mean aaaaaaaa lllllllloooooootttttttt! I've become quite the Amed Rosario fan.

Edited to say that I'm sooo glad Lindor is no longer in this organization. I'm almost embarrassed by his behavior in NY.

 

[CATS44]

Do you think this team is going to contend next year?

I certainly do.

Name one contender you've ever seen that started two rookies/near rookies at the keystone.

It's highly unlikely that you can name one.

I can't think of one in my lifetime. The closest is the 1978 Detroit Tigers with Trammell and Whitaker. Both were productive, and Detroit won 86 games. Trammel is in the HOF.

The only other one in history that I can think of is the 1903 Cubs...and even that doesn't fit, because one of them was in his second full season. The Cubs won 83 games that year, the equivalent to 96 today.

Joe Tinker was 22 in his second season. Johnny Evers was a 21 yr old rookie. Both are in the HOF.

The Guardians, unless they go into rebuild, will have a veteran in the middle of the infield.

 

[Gson]

W/R to contending.. the CWSox will be the "pretend" front runner.. Their starting pitching staff isn't getting any younger & will remain their biggest need.. It has to be said.. the CWSox can spend their way to a decent staff and will have to as their promotable starting pitching talent in their system (with the exclusion of Jimmy Lamber) is two plus years away.. The CWSox can hit.. but are going to be looking at the wrong side of 30 for several players and in several spots..

Detroit is closer than the CWSox w/r to ready/promotable pitching talent... With AJ Hinch leading them.. they could be come the CWSox toward the end of the 2022 season.. no earlier.. A LOT of things have to go right for the Tigers to be anything better than a .500 team, give or take a game either way.. and yes.. they should be a concern for the Indians in spite of their record against the tribe this year.. Next year it will mean ABSOLUTELY nothing..

KC is a mess. and will remain a mess..they don't draft well.. and back that up with poor evaluations in trades.. I'd look for Mr. Sherman to poach the Indians/Guardians/Rays front office and on-field management talent as soon as possible..

Minnesota is a wild card.. IDK where they're going.. Up until this season.. the Twins were on a roll.. three straight division wins and a bunch of guys who can catch the ball.. hit the ball (in the regular season)... and not enough who can throw the ball..

As I see it.. The Indians/Guardians have specific & limited needs.. The conversation that has been centering around a youth movement in the choice of middle infielders & a need for a LHRP is valid. I'd add the need for a catcher who can hit.. Trades are inevitable.. Hopefully.. the phone line to SD/Sea/Az/Mil/Mia are in good working order.. especially Az..

We'll see..