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CATS44 said:
Correa is only 27, but anybody who signs him will probably be paying him a lot of money when he is well past being productive. I dont think he's gonna sign for three years.

Does anybody really think he will be worth $25 mil per year at age 33 and beyond?

Anyway you cut it, Suzuki is a prospect...a good one to be sure...but a prospect nevertheless.

Lets say we trade for a Laureano. We have a 27 yr old OF for three years...as close to a sure thing as you can get in baseball...with a total cost of far less than Correa will cost for one year....and less than Suzuki will cost.

Which org is better off going forward...the one with Correa for ten years, or the one with Laureano for three?

And if things don't work out, which team has a better trade chip in two years? Let's look...

Haniger as a rental has a trade value of 7.5. Lindor has a trade value of -85.3.

Thats according to Baseball Trade Values, which...as I have said...is pure hokum. But its a system that many seem to believe in.

Now, lets say the cost for Laureano is three/four very good prospects. How bad off does that make us? Well, by this time next year, we will be talking about Martinez, Tena, Noel, Rodriguez, Tucker, and Sanquinton the same way are talking about the top prospects we have now.
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Just helping the readers under age 50.


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ho·kum​

(hō′kəm)
n.
1. Something apparently impressive or legitimate but actually untrue or insincere; nonsense.
2. A stock technique for eliciting a desired response from an audience.
[Perhaps ho(cus-pocus) + (bun)kum.]
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hokum​

(ˈhəʊkəm)
n
1. claptrap; bunk
2. (Theatre) obvious or hackneyed material of a sentimental nature in a play, film, etc
[C20: probably a blend of hocus-pocus and bunkum]
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ho•kum​

(ˈhoʊ kəm)

n.
1. utter nonsense; bunkum.
2. elements of low comedy or stale melodrama introduced into a play or story for laughter or effect.
[1915–20, Amer.; probably b. hocus -pocus and bunkum]
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biggie4 said:
Who would we need to give up to get Laureano?
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A lot.

At least three upper level prospects and one middle level.

However, taking on a bad contract might lower the prospect cost.

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Fans look at prospects and see all stars. I look at prospects and see dollar signs.

Pick your choice of our top ten prospects...whoever you like...but they must at least be in AA.

All of them are worth a lot of trade dollars right now....the kind of trade dollars that can be used to acquire three years of substantial upgrades that will make the Guardians true contenders thru 2024.

But by the end of 2024, of those ten prospects, history says that three of them will be viable MLB players...not stars, but at least minimally productive...and seven up them will be worth very little.

Probably the best FA OF on the market is Starling Marte. Lets say that both Detroit and Cleveland are in the market for a premier OF.

What Detroit can get for $75-80 mil...3/4 years of Marte...Cleveland can get for four prospects and about $15-20 mil...a Laureano, Reynolds, Mullins type for 3/4 years.

Being that Marte is 33 yrs old, in all likelihood what we get will be better. And we get will be worth a lot more in trade later on.

While the talk of spending always focuses on money, the reality is that we can outspend Detroit this off season, if the FO is willing to spend prospect capital.
 
Got my first look at some of the 2022 International kids.

Welbyn Francisca is the best player I have seen them sign yet, at this stage a year before the signing will be official. Chance to be very, very special.
 
CATS44 said:
A lot.

At least three upper level prospects and one middle level.

However, taking on a bad contract might lower the prospect cost.

*********

Fans look at prospects and see all stars. I look at prospects and see dollar signs.

Pick your choice of our top ten prospects...whoever you like...but they must at least be in AA.

All of them are worth a lot of trade dollars right now....the kind of trade dollars that can be used to acquire three years of substantial upgrades that will make the Guardians true contenders thru 2024.

But by the end of 2024, of those ten prospects, history says that three of them will be viable MLB players...not stars, but at least minimally productive...and seven up them will be worth very little.

Probably the best FA OF on the market is Starling Marte. Lets say that both Detroit and Cleveland are in the market for a premier OF.

What Detroit can get for $75-80 mil...3/4 years of Marte...Cleveland can get for four prospects and about $15-20 mil...a Laureano, Reynolds, Mullins type for 3/4 years.

Being that Marte is 33 yrs old, in all likelihood what we get will be better. And we get will be worth a lot more in trade later on.

While the talk of spending always focuses on money, the reality is that we can outspend Detroit this off season, if the FO is willing to spend prospect capital.
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Laureano's price has gone down cause of his suspension. They aren't going to get anywhere close to what you said, hence why I personally don't think he will be moved. A's will be listening to offers on Olson, Bassitt, Manaea and Chapman. Montas and guys like Laureano will get some offers, but not at the price A's will likely like.

Tigers I think are a year behind the Guardians, so they are going to target younger players or stop gaps for 22, hence why I would target Correa and Suzuki... they may do a Marte, but it would have to be short term, no more than 3 seasons if that...
 
sportscoach said:
Laureano's price has gone down cause of his suspension. They aren't going to get anywhere close to what you said, hence why I personally don't think he will be moved. A's will be listening to offers on Olson, Bassitt, Manaea and Chapman. Montas and guys like Laureano will get some offers, but not at the price A's will likely like.

Tigers I think are a year behind the Guardians, so they are going to target younger players or stop gaps for 22, hence why I would target Correa and Suzuki... they may do a Marte, but it would have to be short term, no more than 3 seasons if that...
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At the trading deadline.. there was chatter about Marte getting 3 years plus a club option w/ a minor buy out.. The total value was opined to be in the AAV range over 3 years at around $ 12 MM.. then Marte just KILLED it for the Green and Gold.. probably adding another year and 50 % to the AAV, as a guess.. For what he did.. he'll get paid..

I have no idea where Laureano's #'s are going to come in.. the oddity of a suspension and all, make this a guess..
 
Gson said:
thanks for posting.. enthusiasm.. he looks like he's having fun.. que bueno..
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I didn't like the way handled his throws at SS, arm is there but they felt a bit lazy to me. His bat is solid though...
 
15 years 5 months old? Thick already, he's gonna get pretty big.
Switch-hitting thumper?
 
Benway said:
15 years 5 months old? Thick already, he's gonna get pretty big.
Switch-hitting thumper?
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I was bigger than him at 15, so that part doesn't matter 100%, but he does look like he will have a legit bat going forward.
 
sportscoach said:
I didn't like the way handled his throws at SS, arm is there but they felt a bit lazy to me. His bat is solid though...
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Yeah.. a lotta flashiness on display/perhaps hamming it up for the camera/vid.. There's a LOT of it in his glove work.. but you can see he has very soft & fluid hand work and makes the transfer flawlessly and rapidly.. With maturity, the mechanics will be "more professional".. but it's easy to see, he already has plus arm strength.. A lot of time and effort will go into his foot work and throwing.. It's likely, he's never thought about where his feet need to be to make the most consistently accurate throws.. There is a lot of material here to work with here.. w/r to his batsmanship..the swing mechanics need to be cleaned up, especially from the right side where his load and landing is "all over the place".. When this kid is all polished / coached up.. he could be very special.. He can't be more than 170 pounds.. He'll need to add good weight..

exciting signing.. when it happens..
 
sportscoach said:
I was bigger than him at 15, so that part doesn't matter 100%, but he does look like he will have a legit bat going forward.
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You were bigger, faster, stronger than most prospects at the same age tho sportscoach, that just isn't a fair comparison ;)
 
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