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Experts getting things wrong isn't an opinion--it's fact.

It's also fact that experts' opinions are valuable--they have knowledge, experience and access that others do not. I'm not saying they're always right, or we should defer to them--but we shouldn't also be immediately dismissive, or even worse--reactionary.

Although, I guess your "I dont give a fuck about who knows what about this or that" explains a lot...
Whoever said experts opinions aren't valuable? Not me. You infer that these people know 10 times more than me. Well sorry, they don't know 10 times more than me. And no I don't give a fuck about some of the things they think.

I made a 45 year sales career based strictly on numbers that were posted. You sell you make money. You didn't make money because some assclown said a guy would be good at sales. In sales. opinions don't matter..not even a little bit. I base performance of athletes purely on numbers...not the opinion of so called experts.
 

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Whoever said experts opinions aren't valuable? Not me. You infer that these people know 10 times more than me. Well sorry, they don't know 10 times more than me. And no I don't give a fuck about some of the things they think.

I made a 45 year sales career based strictly on numbers that were posted. You sell you make money. You didn't make money because some assclown said a guy would be good at sales. In sales. opinions don't matter..not even a little bit. I base performance of athletes purely on numbers...not the opinion of so called experts.

Personally I think you are going a bit too far with things... Someone gave an opinion, but you didn't call it his opinion, then you really did sound like expert opinions are useless. That's the way your wording read...

Of course no one is ever always right, but the people who have the best access to information about players usually have a better grasp of things, but sometimes hunches from people who have solid knowledge of the game, are just as effective as anything else.

Bieber and Plesac never were ranked, but really showed up. Tomlin wasnt supposed to be anything either and he's still in the league...

Rather than being defensive about things and almost aggressive sounding, just do what I do. Just be like, my hunch/eye test say this guy will be someone that I will keep an eye on since I believe he will succeed and ignore anyone else who thinks your gut/eye test is wrong.

As funny as it sounds, no one is gonna be mad if you posted an opinion honestly, and politely about a player and you said he will succeed even if others don't think so, and later he does and you can be like, told ya so, since honestly you want players to always exceed expectations lol
 

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Whoever said experts opinions aren't valuable? Not me. You infer that these people know 10 times more than me. Well sorry, they don't know 10 times more than me. And no I don't give a fuck about some of the things they think.

I made a 45 year sales career based strictly on numbers that were posted. You sell you make money. You didn't make money because some assclown said a guy would be good at sales. In sales. opinions don't matter..not even a little bit. I base performance of athletes purely on numbers...not the opinion of so called experts.
And that would probably work with established veterans who are what they are going to be for the most part. Your POV will dismiss some prospects that are/were raw to start of late bloomers/developers. It's a funny game and even the best are humbled frequently.
 

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Experts get things wrong sometimes.

A concensus of experts is wrong sometimes. But that concensus has an extremely high batting average.

Its just like college recruiting rankings. The ranking of individual players may not always be accurate, but the teams that constantly win the recruiting wars are the same ones that win most of the games.

All this talk about a non prospect like Call...

These same conversations were had about Calica, Marabell, and Ka'ai Tom...and dozens of others.
 

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Experts get things wrong sometimes.

A concensus of experts is wrong sometimes. But that concensus has an extremely high batting average.

Its just like college recruiting rankings. The ranking of individual players may not always be accurate, but the teams that constantly win the recruiting wars are the same ones that win most of the games.

All this talk about a non prospect like Call...

These same conversations were had about Calica, Marabell, and Ka'ai Tom...and dozens of others.

Calica actually had some ranking...

Thing is until we see what Call can do at AAA, we have no legit clue what he will do... Right now his numbers say he cannot keep doing what he is. We can only guess what he does for the rest of the season...
 

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Personally I think you are going a bit too far with things... Someone gave an opinion, but you didn't call it his opinion, then you really did sound like expert opinions are useless. That's the way your wording read...

Of course no one is ever always right, but the people who have the best access to information about players usually have a better grasp of things, but sometimes hunches from people who have solid knowledge of the game, are just as effective as anything else.

Bieber and Plesac never were ranked, but really showed up. Tomlin wasnt supposed to be anything either and he's still in the league...

Rather than being defensive about things and almost aggressive sounding, just do what I do. Just be like, my hunch/eye test say this guy will be someone that I will keep an eye on since I believe he will succeed and ignore anyone else who thinks your gut/eye test is wrong.

As funny as it sounds, no one is gonna be mad if you posted an opinion honestly, and politely about a player and you said he will succeed even if others don't think so, and later he does and you can be like, told ya so, since honestly you want players to always exceed expectations lol
Nah. This isn't even about experts even though he keeps bringing them up as some abstract example he can shake his fists angrily at.

This started because he got mad at the suggestion that there are tangible results that predict future success better than things like batting average.

I explained it in very clear terms--if you're in a competition to see who can flip a quarter and get the most "heads" in a minute, you wouldn't want to just look at who flipped the most heads last time. That stat has noise in it, like luck. Instead you would want to find a better stat, like flips per minute. The guy who can flip a coin 40 times per minute is a better bet than the guy who can only flip it 35 times per minute.

It led to this:

I dont give a fuck about who knows what about this or that. I said clearly that experts get shit wrong all the time. And they do. It's really that simple. That's my opinion on this subject; If you don't like my opinion. that's your problem.

It's pretty clear that someone who "doesn't give a fuck" about anything someone else knows isn't someone you can have a viable discussion with. Best to just move along and let his posts roll by like tumbleweeds in the West.
 
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Nah. This isn't even about experts even though he keeps bringing them up as some abstract example he can shake his fists angrily at.

This started because he got mad at the suggestion that there are tangible results that predict future success better than things like batting average.

I explained it in very clear terms--if you're in a competition to see who can flip a quarter and get the most "heads" in a minute, you wouldn't want to just look at who flipped the most heads last time. That stat has noise in it, like luck. Instead you would want to find a better stat, like flips per minute. The guy who can flip a coin 40 times per minute is a better bet than the guy who can only flip it 35 times per minute.

It led to this:



It's pretty clear that someone who "doesn't give a fuck" about anything someone else knows isn't someone you can have a viable discussion with. Best to just move along and let his posts roll by like tumbleweeds in the West.
And it's also pretty clear when dealing with one who feels they are the smartest man in the room and nothing you say to them is going to make a difference that isn't someone you can have a viable discussion with.
 

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And it's also pretty clear when dealing with one who feels they are the smartest man in the room and nothing you say to them is going to make a difference that isn't someone you can have a viable discussion with.
I do appreciate the personal digs--it's cute when that's all you have, but I'm in no way the smartest guy in this room. b00bie, @BimboColesHair, @Derek and others know more about baseball than I ever will and kept this section afloat and incredibly valuable with high-quality content for a long time when it was a barren wasteland in here. Add in bonafide studs like @jup and @MadThinker88 and I'm lucky if I'm sitting at the kids table.

When you concede the topic at hand to just talk shit about the person, it's pretty clear the discussion is over, eh?
 

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And it's also pretty clear when dealing with one who feels they are the smartest man in the room and nothing you say to them is going to make a difference that isn't someone you can have a viable discussion with.
This is the purest form of irony
 

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This is the purest form of irony
lmfao.....I absolutely am not the smartest guy in the room and I certainly admit I don't subscribe to all these new fangled metrics everybody loves playing with. I do look at them from time to time but for me baseball is a "feel" and "trust my eyes" game a lot of times but carry on.
 

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I do appreciate the personal digs--it's cute when that's all you have, but I'm in no way the smartest guy in this room. b00bie, @BimboColesHair, @Derek and others know more about baseball than I ever will and kept this section afloat and incredibly valuable with high-quality content for a long time when it was a barren wasteland in here. Add in bonafide studs like @jup and @MadThinker88 and I'm lucky if I'm sitting at the kids table.

When you concede the topic at hand to just talk shit about the person, it's pretty clear the discussion is over, eh?
Is that not what you were doing?


"It's pretty clear that someone who "doesn't give a fuck" about anything someone else knows isn't someone you can have a viable discussion with. Best to just move along and let his posts roll by like tumbleweeds in the West."
 

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lmfao.....I absolutely am not the smartest guy in the room and I certainly admit I don't subscribe to all these new fangled metrics everybody loves playing with. I do look at them from time to time but for me baseball is a "feel" and "trust my eyes" game a lot of times but carry on.
It was more related to the “nothing you say to them is going to make a difference” since you seem pretty dismissive of new information.
 

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It was more related to the “nothing you say to them is going to make a difference” since you seem pretty dismissive of new information.
That's not the point I was making (or trying to make). You tell me such and such metric says he is (or could) eventually do this. Such as the discussion on Hernandez. People say his advanced metrics say he could do this or he is trending in a direction that makes me feel good. I'm not dismissing that but my point is he's hitting .215 so that's great your metrics lead you to believe that things will get better but how is that helping us now? What if those metrics never play out and he keeps hitting .215. What good are your metrics then? That's my point.
 

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