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Garuba's generally had a down season, but he had one of his best games of the year last week against Efes, a top-3 team in all of Europe. 12 points on 5/6 shooting including a pair of 3's, 6 boards, 4 assists, 2 steals, and 3 blocks. Bball IQ, motor, and physical tools give him great defensive versatility/potential, but his shaky ballhandling/shooting skills limit his offensive upside.

 
No doubt, and I cherry-picked the reports to find ones that backed up what I was saying. I'm not trying to convince @I'mWithDan, just trying to get him to understand that the assertion that Suggs is a good shooter is not some fringe idea.

Sorry if we are going off the rails here :chuckle: .....it isn’t that I don’t think stuff like this is out there, I just don’t get it as a prevailing opinion, relative to the data available.

It seems like a lot of people think he’s a good shooter when he is a below average one. And at this point, there hasn’t really been improvement during a period of time where you would hope to see it.

I honestly don’t get why people call a guard that is a 33/76 split guy a good shooter. NBA splits.....Dame is 37/90, Kyrie is 39/88, Steph is 43/91, Paul is 37/87. I’m just personally worried that that is such a giant leap for someone.....to see that big of an improvement with below average production at shorter distances and also being such an average FT shooter. It just seems less realistic relative to past performance and historical shooting marker data.

That is just my argument with Suggs, that he’s not as efficient of a scorer as a typical PG you’d take in the top 5 and I struggle with where his offensive value comes from at the NBA level without marked shooting improvement (that then trickles in to scoring efficiency). If I knew he was going to be a better shooter, or draw fouls more at a rate of a typical #1 scorer, I would like him more but I’m concerned that someone like him is just going to be a good NBA guard but not a star. And relative to how easy it is to find a good NBA guard, I just wouldn’t want to spend a top 5 pick in a draft like this on a good NBA guard.

It is possible I eat crow on this one but I would be really surprised if a guard profile like Suggs is one of the 3 best players in a draft like this.
 
Worth noting that Suggs was also an elite level football recruit coming out of his home state of Minnesota.

Guy like that tend to show a lot of growth once they start focusing on one sport.

Aaron Judge comes to mind as a recent cross-sport comp.

The obvious 2 sport star comp is Allen Iverson, lol
 
Sorry if we are going off the rails here :chuckle: .....it isn’t that I don’t think stuff like this is out there, I just don’t get it as a prevailing opinion, relative to the data available.

It seems like a lot of people think he’s a good shooter when he is a below average one. And at this point, there hasn’t really been improvement during a period of time where you would hope to see it.

I honestly don’t get why people call a guard that is a 33/76 split guy a good shooter. NBA splits.....Dame is 37/90, Kyrie is 39/88, Steph is 43/91, Paul is 37/87. I’m just personally worried that that is such a giant leap for someone.....to see that big of an improvement with below average production at shorter distances and also being such an average FT shooter. It just seems less realistic relative to past performance and historical shooting marker data.

That is just my argument with Suggs, that he’s not as efficient of a scorer as a typical PG you’d take in the top 5 and I struggle with where his offensive value comes from at the NBA level without marked shooting improvement (that then trickles in to scoring efficiency). If I knew he was going to be a better shooter, or draw fouls more at a rate of a typical #1 scorer, I would like him more but I’m concerned that someone like him is just going to be a good NBA guard but not a star. And relative to how easy it is to find a good NBA guard, I just wouldn’t want to spend a top 5 pick in a draft like this on a good NBA guard.

It is possible I eat crow on this one but I would be really surprised if a guard profile like Suggs is one of the 3 best players in a draft like this.

To me, Suggs is the ultimate draft-for-fit option. He'd be perfect next to Sexton or Garland, so in the short term you split minutes evenly between the 3 of them, and in the long term you trade one of them and Suggs starts next to the other one.
 
The obvious 2 sport star comp is Allen Iverson, lol
I meant the comp more in terms of showing a lot of improvement once their focus was on one sport.

Iverson was always superb.
 
It is interesting that people call him a better shooter here. He’s kind of a weird case where his form looks good but he hasn’t really gotten a result at any level.

He’s hovered as a 30-32% shooter through all levels the past 24 months here, wether it be high school, various AAU / international competitions and now college.

If he improves as a shooter, I do think he has a good offensive profile but I would be concerned that he’s seen such a plateau here during these developmental years and can’t really seem to translate shooting improvement on the court, that it maybe isn’t as likely to happen as people think.
I just need about 25-30 points from him tomorrow night, and then I will be satisfied.
 
I agree with your point, but current Fultz is basically a 15 ft and in player and I'm confident Suggs has a better jumper than that.

I also struggle to evaluate how much Gonzaga's personnel helps Suggs. Usually you watch players in college and it seems like they would benefit in the NBA with better shooting around them and defenses not shading or doubling them whenever they get a touch or attack. But Gonzaga might be the best college offense I've ever seen and it's ridiculous how good their spacing and shooting is. Their 5th starter just had a clutch step back 3, the talent is insane top to bottom.
Well, Suggs has range out to 40 feet, maybe even 42, considering the bank. That’s Curry-esque!
 
How does Jalen Green project, is he long?
 
How does Jalen Green project, is he long?
79" reports say not really anything special for a 2 guard as far as wingspan. that is the same as Sextons wingspan, but green is shorter than 6'6 I'd wager as well so he might not even have the 79".
His scoring skill is out of this world though despite the defensive potential lagging.
Keon Johnson has 84" wingspan supposedly and is a nasty explosive freak but not seeing too many guards matching that in the lottery this time that have Greens upside scoring from all 3 levels
 
Well, Suggs has range out to 40 feet, maybe even 42, considering the bank. That’s Curry-esque!
I wouldnt call banks range unless he called glass . he is a winner that makes winning plays
but his shooting is not elite at all His athletic ability and defensive upside are real and his court vision is legit
 
79" reports say not really anything special for a 2 guard as far as wingspan. that is the same as Sextons wingspan, but green is shorter than 6'6 I'd wager as well so he might not even have the 79".
His scoring skill is out of this world though despite the defensive potential lagging.
Keon Johnson has 84" wingspan supposedly and is a nasty explosive freak but not seeing too many guards matching that in the lottery this time that have Greens upside scoring from all 3 levels
Yeah I saw his highlights and he seemed more like a 2guard than a wing, has nice explosion and jump shot though
 

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