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It's been a bit surreal to me all year that no one can see Cade's weaknesses. I never watched him in HS, so my first impression of him was this year for OK State and all I knew was that he was the #1 guy. My first big takeaway was that he wasn't as athletic as I thought he'd be, and yet for some reason no one connected to the game seems to see it? I just don't understand, it seems so obvious.

Another really impressive Mobley tidbit from nba.com:

• Averaging a tremendous 1.41 points per shot around the rim in the half court [90th percentile], Mobley’s tools make him a constant threat to play above the rim, but he also scored an impressive 1.14 points per floater [92nd percentile] as his ability to drop in shots with touch shined last season.

He also shot 46% with 2 pt shots outside the paint, and he scored .94 PPP on off the dribble jumpers and 52% on long 2s. I think there's a lot to like with his overall touch and there's reason for optimism that he can extend his range to 3 once his footwork is cleaned up.

Look at Mobley's shooting vs Barnes. Neither one is a great shooter from 3, but there's so much more optimism for Mobley's jumper as a weapon than for Barnes.

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His versatile offensive arsenal definitely gives a lot of optimism for him even in the early going. His lack of early strength won't be much of an issue if he's able to utilize floaters, dribbles etc.

Just seems like such a matchup problem once he truly fills out. Still what reigns supreme in the playoffs.
 

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• One wildcard: The Cleveland Cavaliers and the No. 3 pick. There has been some debate about what direction the Cavaliers will go on draft night. Mobley has been largely discussed there, as well as the potential of Green and even Suggs. The Cavs are also engaging teams in trade discussions surrounding guard Collin Sexton and hope to move Kevin Love and his remaining $60 million elsewhere, per sources.


• Could Cleveland aggressively attempt to move up to two? It honestly depends on how they view Mobley versus Green — with soon-to-be restricted free agent big man Jarrett Allen in mind, as well. If the Cavs think Houston could go in either direction, I could see them getting antsy and trying to move up. There’s one viewpoint to take Mobley and possibly play him with Allen (or even in the case that Allen signs elsewhere), as well as taking one of either Green or Suggs and sending Sexton elsewhere. If Houston was sure that Cleveland is firmly settled on Mobley, the Cavs hypothetically could make for a realistic trade partner, moving back one slot and collecting additional assets in the process.
 

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Not sure if this is what the part of that article about Love and Sexton is implying, but I'll be freaking pissed if we end up sabotaging any return we'd get for trading Collin by adding Kevin to the deal. The absolute worst case should be a buyout -- there's no reason we should make a trade that leaves us in a worse position than buying Kevin out.

Unless we think there's any realistic value of having him on our roster the next two years, I would aggressively pursue buyout negotiations with him if I haven't already. The best opportunity to convince him to give the most money back in such a deal would be at a time when many teams have more than the vet minimum to offer him, so getting something done before the free agency period opens next month would be our best option.

His value around the league is probably as low as its ever been, so it's not like I expect teams to be lining up to offer him a contract, but I don't think it's out of the question for a team to offer him something well over the vet minimum. Offer him a chance to sign with any team if he gives back $10 to $15 million of what's owed to him over the next two years -- if he thinks he can make anything remotely close to that on a two-year deal from a contender using their taxpayer MLE, then his camp would probably agree, and we can apply the savings to our cap space next summer if we aren't planning to make a big splash in FA this year.

There's no point in keeping him around if he's going to be a distraction. And while some may want to keep him here nailed to the bench and ride out his contract, I don't think it's worth cutting off our nose just to spite our face.
 

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Quite honestly, I think we can’t go wrong with any of the top 4 and will be thrilled to land any of them. They’re all going to be very good NBA players. I’m not as high on Cade as many and am also probably higher on Suggs, so for me the 4 are bunched pretty closely.
I think Green could be more of a risk to become less than hoped for, than maybe the standard outlets are predicting. The reason I say this is as touted as he is, it is mostly based on athleticism not skill that has him ranked so high.
 

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I think Green could be more of a risk to become less than hoped for, than maybe the standard outlets are predicting. The reason I say this is as touted as he is, it is mostly based on athleticism not skill that has him ranked so high.
Incorrect. It's based highly off his scoring and undervalued playmaking skills. With defensive potential being based on athleticism and frame.
 

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Analyzing what this team has done in the draft since the rebuild started, & seeing what they have on the roster, I've come to the conclusion that this team needs to add shooting. There are some good options in the draft like Kispert & Murphy.

This league is a shooters league now. I could see us trading down with the Magic for #5 & #8, adding a couple shooting specialists in the process.

I know Kispert would be a huge reach @ 5, but we don't know how other teams value him. He could be gone earlier than expected. Same thing with Murphy @ 8.

Thoughts?
 
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Analizing what this team has done in the draft since the rebuild started, & seeing what they have on the roster, I've come to the conclusion that this team needs to add shooting. There are some good options in the draft like Kispert & Murphy.

This league is a shooters league now. I could see us trading down with the Magic for #5 & #8, adding a couple shooting specialists in the process.

I know Kispert would be a huge reach @ 5, but we don't know how other teams value him. He could be gone earlier than expected. Same thing with Murphy @ 8.

Thoughts?
While I understand your view, I think the league remains a Star league. Exhibit A - MVP of Finals and 2-time league MVP attempted 2.5 3's per game in the Finals, shot 20% on 3's, and shot 66% on 14 free throws per game. I prefer a star at #3 vs better shooters if we trade back.
 

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While I understand your view, I think the league remains a Star league. Exhibit A - MVP of Finals and 2-time league MVP attempted 2.5 3's per game in the Finals, shot 20% on 3's, and shot 66% on 14 free throws per game. I prefer a star at #3 vs better shooters if we trade back.
That's true. That being said, Green might be gone @ 3. Mobley is nice but we have Allen. Who do you go with then? Do you go for BPA in Mobley & sort out the fit issues later? Do you reach or trade down for Bouknight?

Barnes is an enigma. He has freakish size for a wing, which actually reminds me of Giannis in that regard, who you mentioned in your post.

I think we're @ a point in our rebuild where we don't necessarily need to add a first option through the draft. Adding shooters would help our team greatly.
 

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Incorrect. It's based highly off his scoring and undervalued playmaking skills. With defensive potential being based on athleticism and frame.
lol you dont even know the players you claim to love smh
His scoring is based on his ability to get past defenders and score above the rim. It is exciting brand of basketball and he really grabs defenders attention because of it, that and being able to hit tough shots. However, his ball skills and playmaking are way behind for a top 3 projected imo and he is not a good enough off ball player to reason him in as a top 3 pick unless you plan to feed him the ball early in the shot clock and watch him freeze out the team more than sexton is consistently criticized about.
His defense upside sucks and his length is barely better than Sexton, and worse than Okoro, who some of you are already claiming must be moved to the 2 smh
I actually am convinced the majority of people on here are not even CLE fans
 

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lol you dont even know the players you claim to love smh
His scoring is based on his ability to get past defenders and score above the rim. It is exciting brand of basketball and he really grabs defenders attention because of it, that and being able to hit tough shots. However, his ball skills and playmaking are way behind for a top 3 projected imo and he is not a good enough off ball player to reason him in as a top 3 pick unless you plan to feed him the ball early in the shot clock and watch him freeze out the team more than sexton is consistently criticized about.
His defense upside sucks and his length is barely better than Sexton, and worse than Okoro, who some of you are already claiming must be moved to the 2 smh
I actually am convinced the majority of people on here are not even CLE fans
don't agree. I think much like Kuminga, his ball and playmaking skills are underrated. It's a evaluation thing.
 

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That's true. That being said, Green might be gone @ 3. Mobley is nice but we have Allen. Who do you go with then? Do you go for BPA in Mobley & sort out the fit issues later? Do you reach or trade down for Bouknight?

Barnes is an enigma. He has freakish size for a wing, which actually reminds me of Giannis in that regard, who you mentioned in your post.

I think we're @ a point in our rebuild where we don't necessarily need to add a first option through the draft. Adding shooters would help our team greatly.
I'm a big proponent of BPA in general, and would only make an exception if the fit issues were an absolute nightmare. I can see how we might be a little gun-shy in this regard because of the Sexland compatibility issues, but when it comes to Mobley, a) I think that Mobley and Allen can be fine on the floor together, and b) we haven't even signed Allen to an extension yet. I keep hearing about how this year's draft is one of the best in recent history, so why the hell would we reach just for the sake of fit? If Mobley is really that much of a better asset than anything else we could do with #3, then I think it'd be foolish to settle for a trade down or reach for another position just because of fit issues.

If Mobley is as good a prospect as I've been led to believe, then I'd rather pick him and have Allen walk for nothing than reach elsewhere and bring Allen back.
 

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There's something to be said about having players on their rookie contracts. Getting both Kispert & Murphy on cheap four year deals would have alot of value on this team.

Not a fan of a potential Mobley & Allen pairing. Too slow, perimeter defense would be an issue.
 

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There's something to be said about having players on their rookie contracts. Getting both Kispert & Murphy on cheap four year deals would have alot of value on this team.

Not a fan of a potential Mobley & Allen pairing. Too slow, perimeter defense would be an issue.

I'd be absolutely shocked if that were the case.
 
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