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Ben Simmons exit meeting post Celtics struggles

After the meetings, Brown told reporters during a news conference that he expected Simmons to spend "intense time" with Townsend in the offseason. Everyone around the team was excited. They felt like a breakthrough had occurred, that Simmons was ready not only to solidify his improvements at the line but also to begin carrying those changes into his shooting overall.

After exit meetings, the players and coaches went their separate ways to recharge. Some time passed, and according to multiple league sources, when Townsend returned to the team’s facility, Brown pulled him aside. Change of plans, he said.

Simmons’ agent, Rich Paul, and family had decided that he’d be better off working with one of his brothers, Liam, a former low-level Division I guard and assistant coach, who now coaches at Division II Colorado Christian University.

Simmons was a former No. 1 pick, one of the team’s two foundational pieces, a genuine superstar, in talent and branding, in a league in which superstars dictate the terms. In other words: Simmons wasn’t required to explain himself to management.


Lack of improving in 2018-2019 (FT% got worse, attempted 25 shots outside 16 feet when he took 40 shots outside 16 feet his previous rookie season)

Jim O’Brien, a longtime NBA coach and former Sixers assistant who was serving as a special adviser to Brown, posed a question during a coaches meeting.

"Name me one area where Ben Simmons has improved," he asked his colleagues.

The room fell silent.



Ben Simmons struggles with identity alongside Jimmy Butler

During 2018-2019 season, Sixers trade for Jimmy.

According to league sources, Simmons’ frustration at being relegated to off-ball duty during the team’s 2019 second-round loss to the Raptors contributed to the front office’s decision to not re-sign Jimmy Butler. Brown had handed Butler the keys to the offense, and management was worried how Simmons would handle having Butler around and monopolizing crunch-time playmaking duties for multiple years.

Bubble 2020

The next season, prior to the league’s mid-pandemic restart, Brown told reporters that in practices, he’d been playing Simmons "exclusively" at power forward. Management, according to sources, pushed Brown to walk back that proclamation.

"I feel more comfortable bringing the ball up," Simmons told me in the summer of 2017. "I feel limited if you put me at the 4 position. I don't feel I can help as much."



It's a pretty extensive article that goes into his LSU days as well but I just can't imagine giving up assets for a player like him who's limited but will never acknowledge said limitation due to arrogance and is essentially enabled by everyone around him.

That shit is just terrifying for a team looking to acquire Simmons. He wouldn't work with team coaches, but only his own brother. Great. Then he insists on bringing the ball up the court himself, doesn't want to play off the ball, and won't play PF.

Exactly what would he be doing here in Cleveland? Supposedly, Mobley has excellent passing skills and we'd like to use him at the elbow/high post as a distributor. But hey, that would make Simmons play more off ball, which he wouldn't do with Jimmy Butler, so throw that idea out the window. And we want Garland to play our point guard, except Simmons has to bring the ball up and be the primary distributor. So scratch that too.

Simmons' ability/talents are very intriguing, but they just don't match up to Simmons the actual player because of the way he approaches the game, and how he insists on playing. No earthly reason he'd be willing to do things in Cleveland that he wasn't willing to do in Philly.

We'd just be a convenient pit stop until he could figure out how to force his way to the West Coast.
 
Any hope of establishing an culture of accountability will be utterly destroyed with this type of stuff. He is not a Cleveland style superstar. He is in denial about his value, his game, and his role.

I am just more interested in Garland having the ball in his hands and growing as a playmaker and off the bounce shooter. Simmons will hamper that.

IF they trade Garland instead of Simmons, how does Simmons fit in the grind culture Okoro and Sexton exemplify?

Playing Allen will be suddenly dependent on him acquiring a jumpshot, and you will be reducing the playmaking touches Mobley gets by a lot.

I think getting Simmons means moving too many assets and then restructuring around him with whatever assets are left.

It's too expensive and the cost is more than money.
I'm on board with your take. The current roster construction does no favors for Simmons if they trade for him.

Giving up Garland/Mobley is just an automatic no.
 
I'm on board with your take. The current roster construction does no favors for Simmons if they trade for him.

Giving up Garland/Mobley is just an automatic no.

Well, if you're going to trade for Simmons, you might as well give up them and anyone else you plan on using as a distributor because Simmons won't play off ball.

Of course, the answer to that is (channeling Norm MacDonald) DON'T TRADE FOR SIMMONS.
 
Well, if you're going to trade for Simmons, you might as well give up them and anyone else you plan on using as a distributor because Simmons won't play off ball.

Of course, the answer to that is (channeling Norm MacDonald) DON'T TRADE FOR SIMMONS.
You could in theory make that situation work by having Garland start but be the primary ball handler for the second unit.

Agreed though, Simmons is not the type of player to build around. From a talent perspective, I think he would be worth the trade if weren't for his shitty ass personality.
 
How does a guy like Ben Simmons game age? Maybe the NBA game in the future will have less shooting, and i assume his athleticism will only increase as he gets older, so he won't need skill to fall back on.
 
How does a guy like Ben Simmons game age? Maybe the NBA game in the future will have less shooting, and i assume his athleticism will only increase as he gets older, so he won't need skill to fall back on.

The lack of mental toughness really makes it scary. So his coach failed to give him a 100% vote of confidence after the series. Big deal. Simmons should have manned up and admitted it was probably earned. The entire country saw it, and trying to turn the entire thing into really being about the coach being disrespectful rather than Simmons' own poor play is just weak as hell. When you're going to be paying a guy $35-40M/year, he needs to be a guy who doesn't have to be coddled emotionally because the pressure is always going to be on the guys making the most. If you don't perform...you're going to take shit for that, and if you can't deal with that, then you're not worth the money.
 
How does a guy like Ben Simmons game age? Maybe the NBA game in the future will have less shooting, and i assume his athleticism will only increase as he gets older, so he won't need skill to fall back on.

Considering he surrounds himself with sycophants, probably poorly for a #1 pick compared to LeBron coming into the league. The answer is every guard in the league Chris Johnson and why would anyone guard him like that as a non-shooter?

 
Off-topic, but I absolutely hate w/e that emoji is supposed to be. Lord is it overused.
 

Ben Simmons exit meeting post Celtics struggles

After the meetings, Brown told reporters during a news conference that he expected Simmons to spend "intense time" with Townsend in the offseason. Everyone around the team was excited. They felt like a breakthrough had occurred, that Simmons was ready not only to solidify his improvements at the line but also to begin carrying those changes into his shooting overall.

After exit meetings, the players and coaches went their separate ways to recharge. Some time passed, and according to multiple league sources, when Townsend returned to the team’s facility, Brown pulled him aside. Change of plans, he said.

Simmons’ agent, Rich Paul, and family had decided that he’d be better off working with one of his brothers, Liam, a former low-level Division I guard and assistant coach, who now coaches at Division II Colorado Christian University.

Simmons was a former No. 1 pick, one of the team’s two foundational pieces, a genuine superstar, in talent and branding, in a league in which superstars dictate the terms. In other words: Simmons wasn’t required to explain himself to management.


Lack of improving in 2018-2019 (FT% got worse, attempted 25 shots outside 16 feet when he took 40 shots outside 16 feet his previous rookie season)

Jim O’Brien, a longtime NBA coach and former Sixers assistant who was serving as a special adviser to Brown, posed a question during a coaches meeting.

"Name me one area where Ben Simmons has improved," he asked his colleagues.

The room fell silent.



Ben Simmons struggles with identity alongside Jimmy Butler

During 2018-2019 season, Sixers trade for Jimmy.

According to league sources, Simmons’ frustration at being relegated to off-ball duty during the team’s 2019 second-round loss to the Raptors contributed to the front office’s decision to not re-sign Jimmy Butler. Brown had handed Butler the keys to the offense, and management was worried how Simmons would handle having Butler around and monopolizing crunch-time playmaking duties for multiple years.

Bubble 2020

The next season, prior to the league’s mid-pandemic restart, Brown told reporters that in practices, he’d been playing Simmons "exclusively" at power forward. Management, according to sources, pushed Brown to walk back that proclamation.

"I feel more comfortable bringing the ball up," Simmons told me in the summer of 2017. "I feel limited if you put me at the 4 position. I don't feel I can help as much."



It's a pretty extensive article that goes into his LSU days as well but I just can't imagine giving up assets for a player like him who's limited but will never acknowledge said limitation due to arrogance and is essentially enabled by everyone around him.
Thanks for posting this. Everybody‘s been kissing Ben’s butt for years. “Can’t upset the diva.” His act has grown old, but he’s the aggrieved party. It’s not someone I want around our team.
 
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