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So what is this bullshit I’m reading on ESPN where it says Simmons agent is working towards Simmons returning to the team or “to the market”. Does Paul actually believe the 76ers would consider a buyout?
 
So what is this bullshit I’m reading on ESPN where it says Simmons agent is working towards Simmons returning to the team or “to the market”. Does Paul actually believe the 76ers would consider a buyout?

I suspect what Paul is suggesting is that Simmons is basically taking himself out of the trade market by refusing to play, so the best way for him to eventually get traded is to start playing again.

I also suspect that is the exact argument being used by Paul to convince Simmons to back on the court with the Sixers.

Nothing to do with buyouts because everyone know that's not happening. You only buy guys out if you cannot even give them away to other teams. The Sixers have actually gotten offers for Simmons - they just don't think the offers are good enough. But they'd certainly take one of them long before they'd even consider a buyout.
 
Ben Simmons reported to Wells Fargo Arena last night to take a Covid test. He'll speak with team officials today.

Meanwhile Kyrie did not get on the bus from Brooklyn to Wells Fargo last night because he "didn't feel like playing basketball".

If your lottery ticket had Simmons @ Wells Fargo but not Kyrie and Urban Meyer still working and Gruden not then you're richer than Jeff Bezos because that's about the odds we're seeing here.

Might take the wife to see the Sixers home opener or whatever game will be Ben's first.

Glad Kyrie is no longer our problem and really don't want Simmons here at any price for the same reason. Just too much bullshit.
 
From CBSSports.com:

Ben Simmons wants to be treated like the superstar he's not, and for too long the Sixers gave him his way​

Simmons is reportedly moving toward returning to Sixers camp, but he can't erase the way he's handled this holdout​

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By Brad Botkin

13 hrs ago10 min read




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Ben Simmons claiming -- via his super spokesperson/agent Rich Paul, of course -- that he is, or was, prepared to sit out the entire season unless the Philadelphia 76ers trade him was always a front. And a pretty weak one at that.
On Oct. 1, the Sixers put $8.25 million of the $33M Simmons is due to make for the 2021-22 season into an escrow account, and from that account they are deducting, per ESPN, roughly $360,000 for every game, preseason or regular season, that Simmons misses.
After missing Monday's game against the Nets, he's out a million bucks. And what do you know: On Monday a report broke, via ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski, that "discussions have gained momentum on Simmons returning to the Sixers, likely as soon as this week." Shortly thereafter, Wojnarowksi reported that Simmons has arrived in Philadelphia and taken a COVID test, and that once he clears protocols, he'll be back on the court.
Millionaires don't become millionaires by forfeiting millions.
No chance this holdout was going to go on for "the long haul."
And so, absent a near-term trade, Simmons will be back with the Sixers in relatively short order. He'll be there only in body, mind you. He will not be there in spirit. Which is to say, he will not be getting anything out of being at a few practices, or even going through the motions of a couple preseason games.

But if you think about it, that isn't really that big a change for Simmons. For all intents and purposes, practice has always been sort of a no-show deal for him. In four seasons -- five if you count the entire first year he sat out but still had the opportunity to work on his craft -- he hasn't progressed one iota as an offensive player. One could argue he's regressed. Practice, apparently, does nothing for him.
It does, of course, do something for the team, which has been trying to prepare for a season with no idea whether its second-best player will be on the floor, and if he is, whether he'll actually be trying. You know, just a minor distraction for a team and organization trying to win a championship.
But Simmons doesn't appear to be worried about screwing up the organization, because in his mind, the organization -- which has had the audacity to ask Simmons, whom it signed to a $170 million extension, to figure out a way to co-exist alongside one of the 10 best players in the world -- is what did him wrong in the first place.


Indeed, if we know anything about Simmons, it's that he's entitled. Like a pushover parent, the Sixers do have to accept their share of the blame for creating this problem child; from the top down, they have spoiled him at every turn. The question is: Will Simmons ever shoulder his share of the responsibility?
So far, he's pointed his finger at everyone other than himself -- again, with Paul doing his talking -- as he's continued to hunt scapegoats. He suggests Doc Rivers, Joel Embiid, Daryl Morey, the fans are the ones at fault. Right. They're the ones who either can't, or won't, shoot the basketball. They're the ones who jam up all the spacing. They're the ones who shoot free throws like they're blindfolded. While we're at it, let's go ahead and blame Tim Tebow's receivers.
The nerve of this guy, or Paul, to even try to suggest the Sixers haven't rolled out the red carpet for Simmons. They have allowed him to control the offense despite his lacking a great majority of the half-court skills required to, you know, control an offense. They have asked Embiid, the best low-post player in the world, to station himself, to varying degrees, away from the basket to allow Simmons his precious open paint, where he's scared to shoot anyway.

The Sixers watched Jimmy Butler walk to Miami in large part because, if you can read the tea leaves, he didn't want to play with Simmons, who is not only a flawed player but also one who has exhibited pretty much zero characteristics of being a winner. He doesn't get better in the offseason. He doesn't adapt his role to the needs of the team.
Every time the Sixers have run up against elite playoff competition, Simmons has been more liability than asset. Early in his career he had to be benched for T.J. McConnell in fourth quarters of postseason games. The irony of paying a guy $170 million that you can't afford to play in big situations is supremely rich.
The one thing that Simmons is right about is that he and Embiid do not fit together. They never have. The Sixers have been trying to jam a round peg in a square hole from the start. But Simmons knew that when he signed that $170 million extension, too. He didn't mind taking the money. Honoring the contract is apparently a different story.

And let's be clear about why Simmons and Embiid don't fit: Simmons doesn't shoot. He isn't a threat to run pick-and-roll. In the half court, he's the extra kid you don't have room in the car for but you have to squeeze him in anyway. This isn't an Embiid problem. It's a Simmons problem.
Individually speaking, they would be better off apart. Simmons knows this. But when he became aware that he was a candidate to be traded for James Harden, he was offended. Grow up. There are maybe 10 players in the world who have the right to be offended by being floated in a trade offer for James Harden, and Simmons isn't even close to one of them. He wants to be traded, but only if he's the one calling the shots. His ego can't handle the other way around.
And, boy, is his ego taking a beating now. Not only does he know that the Sixers want to be rid of him, but also that nobody else wants him badly enough to give the Sixers a decent package in return. Because the secret is out. The idea of Ben Simmons as a superstar has been replaced by the reality of his inconsistent excellence and circumstantial potential.

Which begs the question: What, exactly, are the circumstances that would bring out the best in Ben Simmons? People love to say it's something similar to what Milwaukee has done with Giannis Antetokounmpo: a floor-stretching center. Shooters everywhere. Second options that can initiate like first options.
But Simmons isn't even close to the finisher that Antetokounmpo is. He hasn't developed even one percent of the face-up midrange jumper that Antetokounmpo has turned into a borderline weapon. Antetokounmpo is an almost inhuman force when he gets going downhill, a relentless offensive rebounder, an undaunted free-throw shooter, and still he needed to reinvent himself as a largely off-ball player to reach his -- and his team's -- full potential this past postseason. He screened like crazy. He rolled with purpose. He cut hard. He killed on the boards. Simmons has never been willing to consistently do any of that. He sees it as a demotion.
Ultimately, Simmons can seek a Giannis role all he wants, but he's not going to have the same kind of success. He's just not that great. Plain and simple. Leaving the massive offensive gap out, you can try to point to their similarities as roaming, free-safety type defenders, but I'm going to tell you this straight up: Even Simmons' defense, the lone unimpeachable aspect of his game, is Embiid dependent to a degree.

Don't twist that as me saying he's not an elite defender. He is. But he is not a lock-down defender. He gets beaten more than you'd think. He's not going to do what Jrue Holiday did in single-handedly turning an entire postseason on its head with his defense. His reputation as a great defender has exploded because of his versatility, which surely has immense value. He's positionally long and makes multiple efforts and he tracks from behind plays as effectively as anyone. But he's more decathlete than world-class at any one thing. If you think the Sixers are an elite defense more because of Simmons than Embiid, to whom everything funnels, I've got some other things to sell you.
If Simmons had an ounce of humility, he would be thankful he has Embiid. Instead, he wants rid of him. He would be thankful that Doc Rivers, almost to the point of looking silly himself, defended him every time reporters had the nerve to question the challenge Simmons presents as an offensive tentpole throughout the 2020-21 season, literally laughing at those asking the very reasonable questions as if they were somehow blind to all the wonderful things Simmons does on a basketball court.
Nobody's blind. Anyone with half an eye for basketball can see what Simmons does. Just as everyone can see what he doesn't do. And it can't be ignored anymore. The heat is turning up. You know that old saying, when the going gets tough, the tough get going? Well, things have gotten tough in Philly, and the only place that Simmons wants to get going is out of town.

He has effectively stated that he would rather be on a bad team that is built around him than a good one that isn't. And you wonder why people don't view Simmons as a winner. He's on a championship contender and he wants out so he can be better positioned to look like a star. He wants to go someplace where the fans don't care as much as Philadelphia fans so he can avoid all those pesky expectations.
Simmons literally came out and said -- or, again, allowed Paul to say for him -- that the Sixers being a good team early in his career was a bad thing, apparently because it didn't allow for the leeway other top picks get to develop their games under the cover of irrelevance. Tough break. You really have to feel for the guy. As we sit here pondering whether a young star like Zion Williamson would, or even should, commit beyond his rookie deal to a bad team like the Pelicans, who knew the tougher predicament was Simmons being forced to endure the hardships of playing for a No. 1 seed.
It is here that I will point out Simmons' age. He's 25. Not 19. You can't throw him the "he's just a kid" safety net. That said, he's certainly still young, and his maturation in terms of holding himself accountable has likely been stunted by his being coddled as a phenom athlete for the majority of his life. There's still time to grow up.

In addition, in the unlikely event that Paul is saying things Simmons doesn't fully endorse in an attempt to leverage a trade, there's always time to find a new agent (I suppose we can't totally dismiss this possibility that Simmons and Paul aren't on the same page, as Paul apparently wasn't even aware Simmons had flown to Philadelphia on Monday). But until then, Simmons has made his bed. He has to own the words of the representation he has empowered. Quit making excuses and look in the mirror.
At some point, Simmons is going to end up on another team -- and he is going to arrive with the well-earned reputation of being a baby. He doesn't just get a clean start, not with his new teammates, who can say all the right things in interviews but will quietly be sizing him up the minute he walks in the locker room. The way he has run from this situation in Philly is going to precede him.
If you want to be the man on an NBA team, it's not just about your game. It's about how you handle yourself. It's about being the guy willing to take the heat. Right now, Simmons looks scared on and off the court. Professional athletes do not respect that. There was a time when Simmons' NBA peers spoke in awe of his unique size and skill. But there's been an unmasking of sorts, and a harsh truth has been exposed. Simmons' total, at least to this point in his career, has proven to be less than the sum of his considerably talented parts.

At a certain point, potential gives way to reality, and the reality is this: If Simmons expects to eventually establish himself as the worthy leader of a team, let alone a good team, as someone teammates will look to in tough times and know he's in the foxhole with them, he better get back to training camp sooner rather than later. Not for the money. Because it's the right thing to do. And frankly, because his game needs the work.
 
From CBSSports.com:

Ben Simmons wants to be treated like the superstar he's not, and for too long the Sixers gave him his way​

Simmons is reportedly moving toward returning to Sixers camp, but he can't erase the way he's handled this holdout​

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By Brad Botkin

13 hrs ago10 min read




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Ben Simmons claiming -- via his super spokesperson/agent Rich Paul, of course -- that he is, or was, prepared to sit out the entire season unless the Philadelphia 76ers trade him was always a front. And a pretty weak one at that.
On Oct. 1, the Sixers put $8.25 million of the $33M Simmons is due to make for the 2021-22 season into an escrow account, and from that account they are deducting, per ESPN, roughly $360,000 for every game, preseason or regular season, that Simmons misses.
After missing Monday's game against the Nets, he's out a million bucks. And what do you know: On Monday a report broke, via ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski, that "discussions have gained momentum on Simmons returning to the Sixers, likely as soon as this week." Shortly thereafter, Wojnarowksi reported that Simmons has arrived in Philadelphia and taken a COVID test, and that once he clears protocols, he'll be back on the court.
Millionaires don't become millionaires by forfeiting millions.
No chance this holdout was going to go on for "the long haul."
And so, absent a near-term trade, Simmons will be back with the Sixers in relatively short order. He'll be there only in body, mind you. He will not be there in spirit. Which is to say, he will not be getting anything out of being at a few practices, or even going through the motions of a couple preseason games.

But if you think about it, that isn't really that big a change for Simmons. For all intents and purposes, practice has always been sort of a no-show deal for him. In four seasons -- five if you count the entire first year he sat out but still had the opportunity to work on his craft -- he hasn't progressed one iota as an offensive player. One could argue he's regressed. Practice, apparently, does nothing for him.
It does, of course, do something for the team, which has been trying to prepare for a season with no idea whether its second-best player will be on the floor, and if he is, whether he'll actually be trying. You know, just a minor distraction for a team and organization trying to win a championship.
But Simmons doesn't appear to be worried about screwing up the organization, because in his mind, the organization -- which has had the audacity to ask Simmons, whom it signed to a $170 million extension, to figure out a way to co-exist alongside one of the 10 best players in the world -- is what did him wrong in the first place.


Indeed, if we know anything about Simmons, it's that he's entitled. Like a pushover parent, the Sixers do have to accept their share of the blame for creating this problem child; from the top down, they have spoiled him at every turn. The question is: Will Simmons ever shoulder his share of the responsibility?
So far, he's pointed his finger at everyone other than himself -- again, with Paul doing his talking -- as he's continued to hunt scapegoats. He suggests Doc Rivers, Joel Embiid, Daryl Morey, the fans are the ones at fault. Right. They're the ones who either can't, or won't, shoot the basketball. They're the ones who jam up all the spacing. They're the ones who shoot free throws like they're blindfolded. While we're at it, let's go ahead and blame Tim Tebow's receivers.
The nerve of this guy, or Paul, to even try to suggest the Sixers haven't rolled out the red carpet for Simmons. They have allowed him to control the offense despite his lacking a great majority of the half-court skills required to, you know, control an offense. They have asked Embiid, the best low-post player in the world, to station himself, to varying degrees, away from the basket to allow Simmons his precious open paint, where he's scared to shoot anyway.

The Sixers watched Jimmy Butler walk to Miami in large part because, if you can read the tea leaves, he didn't want to play with Simmons, who is not only a flawed player but also one who has exhibited pretty much zero characteristics of being a winner. He doesn't get better in the offseason. He doesn't adapt his role to the needs of the team.
Every time the Sixers have run up against elite playoff competition, Simmons has been more liability than asset. Early in his career he had to be benched for T.J. McConnell in fourth quarters of postseason games. The irony of paying a guy $170 million that you can't afford to play in big situations is supremely rich.
The one thing that Simmons is right about is that he and Embiid do not fit together. They never have. The Sixers have been trying to jam a round peg in a square hole from the start. But Simmons knew that when he signed that $170 million extension, too. He didn't mind taking the money. Honoring the contract is apparently a different story.

And let's be clear about why Simmons and Embiid don't fit: Simmons doesn't shoot. He isn't a threat to run pick-and-roll. In the half court, he's the extra kid you don't have room in the car for but you have to squeeze him in anyway. This isn't an Embiid problem. It's a Simmons problem.
Individually speaking, they would be better off apart. Simmons knows this. But when he became aware that he was a candidate to be traded for James Harden, he was offended. Grow up. There are maybe 10 players in the world who have the right to be offended by being floated in a trade offer for James Harden, and Simmons isn't even close to one of them. He wants to be traded, but only if he's the one calling the shots. His ego can't handle the other way around.
And, boy, is his ego taking a beating now. Not only does he know that the Sixers want to be rid of him, but also that nobody else wants him badly enough to give the Sixers a decent package in return. Because the secret is out. The idea of Ben Simmons as a superstar has been replaced by the reality of his inconsistent excellence and circumstantial potential.

Which begs the question: What, exactly, are the circumstances that would bring out the best in Ben Simmons? People love to say it's something similar to what Milwaukee has done with Giannis Antetokounmpo: a floor-stretching center. Shooters everywhere. Second options that can initiate like first options.
But Simmons isn't even close to the finisher that Antetokounmpo is. He hasn't developed even one percent of the face-up midrange jumper that Antetokounmpo has turned into a borderline weapon. Antetokounmpo is an almost inhuman force when he gets going downhill, a relentless offensive rebounder, an undaunted free-throw shooter, and still he needed to reinvent himself as a largely off-ball player to reach his -- and his team's -- full potential this past postseason. He screened like crazy. He rolled with purpose. He cut hard. He killed on the boards. Simmons has never been willing to consistently do any of that. He sees it as a demotion.
Ultimately, Simmons can seek a Giannis role all he wants, but he's not going to have the same kind of success. He's just not that great. Plain and simple. Leaving the massive offensive gap out, you can try to point to their similarities as roaming, free-safety type defenders, but I'm going to tell you this straight up: Even Simmons' defense, the lone unimpeachable aspect of his game, is Embiid dependent to a degree.

Don't twist that as me saying he's not an elite defender. He is. But he is not a lock-down defender. He gets beaten more than you'd think. He's not going to do what Jrue Holiday did in single-handedly turning an entire postseason on its head with his defense. His reputation as a great defender has exploded because of his versatility, which surely has immense value. He's positionally long and makes multiple efforts and he tracks from behind plays as effectively as anyone. But he's more decathlete than world-class at any one thing. If you think the Sixers are an elite defense more because of Simmons than Embiid, to whom everything funnels, I've got some other things to sell you.
If Simmons had an ounce of humility, he would be thankful he has Embiid. Instead, he wants rid of him. He would be thankful that Doc Rivers, almost to the point of looking silly himself, defended him every time reporters had the nerve to question the challenge Simmons presents as an offensive tentpole throughout the 2020-21 season, literally laughing at those asking the very reasonable questions as if they were somehow blind to all the wonderful things Simmons does on a basketball court.
Nobody's blind. Anyone with half an eye for basketball can see what Simmons does. Just as everyone can see what he doesn't do. And it can't be ignored anymore. The heat is turning up. You know that old saying, when the going gets tough, the tough get going? Well, things have gotten tough in Philly, and the only place that Simmons wants to get going is out of town.

He has effectively stated that he would rather be on a bad team that is built around him than a good one that isn't. And you wonder why people don't view Simmons as a winner. He's on a championship contender and he wants out so he can be better positioned to look like a star. He wants to go someplace where the fans don't care as much as Philadelphia fans so he can avoid all those pesky expectations.
Simmons literally came out and said -- or, again, allowed Paul to say for him -- that the Sixers being a good team early in his career was a bad thing, apparently because it didn't allow for the leeway other top picks get to develop their games under the cover of irrelevance. Tough break. You really have to feel for the guy. As we sit here pondering whether a young star like Zion Williamson would, or even should, commit beyond his rookie deal to a bad team like the Pelicans, who knew the tougher predicament was Simmons being forced to endure the hardships of playing for a No. 1 seed.
It is here that I will point out Simmons' age. He's 25. Not 19. You can't throw him the "he's just a kid" safety net. That said, he's certainly still young, and his maturation in terms of holding himself accountable has likely been stunted by his being coddled as a phenom athlete for the majority of his life. There's still time to grow up.

In addition, in the unlikely event that Paul is saying things Simmons doesn't fully endorse in an attempt to leverage a trade, there's always time to find a new agent (I suppose we can't totally dismiss this possibility that Simmons and Paul aren't on the same page, as Paul apparently wasn't even aware Simmons had flown to Philadelphia on Monday). But until then, Simmons has made his bed. He has to own the words of the representation he has empowered. Quit making excuses and look in the mirror.
At some point, Simmons is going to end up on another team -- and he is going to arrive with the well-earned reputation of being a baby. He doesn't just get a clean start, not with his new teammates, who can say all the right things in interviews but will quietly be sizing him up the minute he walks in the locker room. The way he has run from this situation in Philly is going to precede him.
If you want to be the man on an NBA team, it's not just about your game. It's about how you handle yourself. It's about being the guy willing to take the heat. Right now, Simmons looks scared on and off the court. Professional athletes do not respect that. There was a time when Simmons' NBA peers spoke in awe of his unique size and skill. But there's been an unmasking of sorts, and a harsh truth has been exposed. Simmons' total, at least to this point in his career, has proven to be less than the sum of his considerably talented parts.

At a certain point, potential gives way to reality, and the reality is this: If Simmons expects to eventually establish himself as the worthy leader of a team, let alone a good team, as someone teammates will look to in tough times and know he's in the foxhole with them, he better get back to training camp sooner rather than later. Not for the money. Because it's the right thing to do. And frankly, because his game needs the work.
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I think both Philly and Ben look like a fool.

Philly should of traded him months ago. They over asked and his value goes down every week now.

Ben looks like an idiot for not showing up.
This is also my take- Simmons and Paul have looked foolish in all of this, but the Sixers only have themselves to blame for holding onto him. They should have publicly made it look like they turned over every stone, then found the best deal they could get from the Kings and done that. Instead they are guaranteeing their season is a circus. Morey took the onus off of Simmons and his agents moronic position. Just stupid all around.
 
Kyrie is a conspiracy theorist and an idealist and it's a combination that is going to continue to cause problems for him and his teams unless he gets it under control.

It's his life so he can of course do what he wants but it's going to continue to cost him money and success. He's earned a ton of both in the past but with his talent I think he could have been even more successful. He couldn't co-exist with Lebron which given what happened to GS might have cost him and the Cavs a championship or two. He couldn't co-exist with the players and coaches in Boston. Now his actions are costing him and the Nets a possible title run as well.

His life but it seems like such a waste of his tremendous talent. I wonder if he gets older and more mature if he won't have lot of regrets.?
 
Kyrie is a conspiracy theorist and an idealist and it's a combination that is going to continue to cause problems for him and his teams unless he gets it under control.

It's his life so he can of course do what he wants but it's going to continue to cost him money and success. He's earned a ton of both in the past but with his talent I think he could have been even more successful. He couldn't co-exist with Lebron which given what happened to GS might have cost him and the Cavs a championship or two. He couldn't co-exist with the players and coaches in Boston. Now his actions are costing him and the Nets a possible title run as well.

His life but it seems like such a waste of his tremendous talent. I wonder if he gets older and more mature if he won't have lot of regrets.?
His choice, but he’ll have to deal with the consequences.

On NBA radio the ex-players are supporting the decision to exclude Kyrie. Stephan A is reporting Harden isn’t happy. Mention on one show of a possible Irving - Simmons trade which seems unlikely but crazier things have happened just in the past 24 hours.
 
If Simmons isn't a fit with Embiid would he be a fit with Mobley?

As for Kyrie I can honestly understand his concerns on a philosophical level but when it comes to being part of an NBA team you're either all in or out. If you are going to be part of the Association and take the big corporate bucks, make no mistake the NBA is backed by big corp monies, then you need to follow their rules. Despite all his talent never thought Kyrie had a huge love for the game..always figured he'd retire early..didn't think it would potentially be this early though.
 
Simmons met with Sixers management today but no news on that meeting. He hasn’t met with players yet.

Spirited debate on Philly radio but the majority are tired of waiting for Simmons to shoot and want him out. Problem is he’s not worth the cap space hit if he won’t shoot and folds in the clutch, so any trade return would be mediocre. This could drag on a long time.
 
Sekou Doumbouya is available just saying. He was just waived by the Rockets after being traded by the Nets who had picked him up in a previous trade. Although teetering on being a bust at the 4 and being massively disappointing in Detroit who never got much out of him, I think the Cavs need to take a flier on this SF with exceptional NBA ready SF length and hops and bet on his upside ASAP. Maybe there are off court issues or something but he could be a steal.
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2021/10/rockets-waive-sekou-doumbouya.html
EDIT Lakers signing him supposedly nevermind smh
Cavs should have jumped on that he can stretch the floor and defend just needs coached up
Sekou is one of the worst players in the nba on both ends
 
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