- Jul 11, 2017
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Otis Thorpe/Vernon Maxwell is the only one that comes to mind with the 93-94 Rockets that was worse than Middleton. I like Middleton, good player, but he is more of a 3rd best on a championship team.
I welcome those to bring others, and my knowledge really only goes back to around 1980.
There's no convincing you of anything.
On the one hand, this discussion started out as why Giannis is different. He stayed even though his team was failing. Ownership hadn't went into the luxury tax once.
You argued against that instead of just letting it be.
So here, presented with all the times LeBron left good teams with good players, you make excuses for why it was OK then.
Maybe it was OK. But it goes right back to the first post that started this.
Giannis is simply different.
Eh, did it?
In 3 seasons with the Lakers, he's missed the playoffs, won the bubble title (which he probably wins with any team he's ever played on since 2007), and got bounced in the 1st round.
You said that 2012 LeBron, 2017 KD, and James Harden aren’t superstars, but you said 2013 Dwyane Wade, who averaged 15.9 ppg in the 2013 playoffs on 49.8% TS, was a superstar. Who’s overrating who?
That's certainly an opinion.I guess it depends in what we require to say it was the right decision. I agree 100% there were better choices in 2018 than LA (although I don't agree here was one of them)..but he did get another ring there. If he doesn't win another was it a bad move? I guess that all depends on how each of us views it.
Also worth noting that regardless of what talent was with the Cavs when LeBron left there’s a stronger chance that the talent would have been different if he had committed…
There’s this weird notion that LeBron holding the Cavs feet to the fire made them more prone to do roster tweaking to stay competitive as if they really wanted to waste his career by not doing anything… Who really is to say if he had committed there would have been even better rosters placed around him in the long run ?
Personally, I don't even think it's debatable that he'd have had more success here than he's had in LA.It's definitely up for debate on if LeBron's tenure in LA has been successful. He might end up 1 for 4 again like he was here only The Championship here was way more significant then the one in LA. That's not up for debate.
That's certainly an opinion.
Year 1 - No way in hell LeBron misses the playoffs with the Cavs. And hell, he may have been able to drag us pretty far like he did in 2018. The Raptors might not even swing for Kawhi if LeBron is still here.
Year 2 - LeBron still wins the bubble title, easily
Year 3 - LeBron wins at least 1 series, if not all of them
I think Sexton would do really well in the Kyrie role...and Kevin Love wouldn't have quit playing basketball if LeBron stayed.
I don’t think it’s any question LeBron’s reign in Cleveland will be better than LA..
Fact is he’s been there 3 seasons.
-Didn’t qualify for the playoffs
-Won a very questionable title
-Got bounced in round 1
Unless they significantly improve their roster and he fires off a 3 peat then there’s zero chance…
Denver will be such a threat. And I truly believe a healthy Warriors team will be a problem as constructed..And if they make a trade for a veteran they will be my favorites to come out of the west…