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2021 Series #36 | Indians @ Tigers | Aug. 13-15

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The Indians pack their bags after getting swept at home by the A's and head to Detroit, who now lead the Indians in the all-important battle for second place by percentage points. Whoever wins this series will be in second place come Monday. This is the final time the Cleveland Indians play the Detroit Tigers, and these teams have been playing each other since 1915. Ty Cobb hit .369 for the Tigers that year. That was a down year for him. He had 12 seasons where his batting average was higher.

At age 41 Cobb hit only .323 and I guess that convinced him he was through. He retired after that season.

Getting back to the present, the Indians lead the season series 10-6 so hopefully they can continue their dominance for one final weekend. Although we're at the point now where the final scores don't matter as much as player development.

The Tigers are 16-9 since the break, but they've played 18 games against Baltimore, Minnesota and Texas. They lost 2 of 3 to the Indians last week. The Tigers rank 9th in the A.L. in runs per game, but the Indians pitchers have handled them so far. Tiger hitters have a line of .206/.625 against the Tribe this year at 3.44 runs per game. Miggy has been their top hitter against the Indians at .262/.819. Jonathan Schoop is hitting .309/.715 against Cleveland. Nobody else has done much against Indians' pitching. Last weekend the Tigers managed 8 runs in 3 games against the Tribe.

The Tigers are also 9th in team ERA and they're missing a couple of starters in Boyd and Urena.

The Indians have lost 7 of 10 and they just lost Sandlin and Harold Ramirez to injury. Sandlin is expected to be out at least 3-4 weeks so we may not see him again this year.

Tonight Plesac goes against lefty Tyler Alexander, 2-1, 4.35. Alexander, age 27, has made seven starts and 24 relief appearances this season. He's 5-8, 4.44 for his career. In 10.2 innings against the Indians this year he's given up 5 earned runs for a 4.22 ERA. He's tough on lefties but right-handed batters are hitting .297/.844. His numbers as a starter and reliever are virtually identical. When he starts he averages 14.4 batters faced, so they only let him go three innings or so. However, his last start was against the Indians and he shut them out for 5.1 innings, throwing only 62 pitches and getting 10 fly ball outs. That was easily his longest outing of the year.

Hopefully the Indians will take a look at the video of that game and see what his guy was doing that was so effective and make some adjustments. I'm assuming we'll have eight right-handed bats in the lineup (everybody except Zimmer) and righties have hit nearly .300 against Alexander.

Plesac is having a season to forget. His ERA since coming back from breaking his hand is 6.16. He's given up 10 earned runs in his last two starts. His last start was against the Tigers and they clawed him for 4 runs in 4 innings.

Miguel Cabrera will be looking to hit his 500th career home run in front of his home fans this weekend, so we might get some good-sized crowds. Miggy has three home runs in 42 at-bats against the Indians this year. However, only 4 of his 12 home runs this year have come at home in Detroit's spacious ball yard.

The Indians need to get back on track after blowing leads in the first two games against the A's and then getting annihilated in the third game. The only good thing is that they used the bottom of the bullpen yesterday so their better relievers should be available if they get a late lead.
 
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The Indians pack their bags after getting swept at home by the A's and head to Detroit, who now lead the Indians in the all-important battle for second place by percentage points. Whoever wins this series will be in second place come Monday. This is the final time the Cleveland Indians play the Detroit Tigers, and these teams have been playing each other since 1915. Ty Cobb hit .369 for the Tigers that year. That was a down year for him. He had 12 seasons where his batting average was higher.

At age 41 Cobb hit only .323 and I guess that convinced him he was through. He retired after that season.

Getting back to the present, the Indians lead the season series 10-6 so hopefully they can continue their dominance for one final weekend. Although we're at the point now where the final scores don't matter as much as player development.

The Tigers are 16-9 since the break, but they've played 18 games against Baltimore, Minnesota and Texas. They lost 2 of 3 to the Indians last week. The Tigers rank 9th in the A.L. in runs per game, but the Indians pitchers have handled them so far. Tiger hitters have a line of .206/.625 against the Tribe this year at 3.44 runs per game. Miggy has been their top hitter against the Indians at .262/.819. Jonathan Schoop is hitting .309/.715 against Cleveland. Nobody else has done much against Indians' pitching. Last weekend the Tigers managed 8 runs in 3 games against the Tribe.

The Tigers are also 9th in team ERA and they're missing a couple of starters in Boyd and Urena.

The Indians have lost 7 of 10 and they just lost Sandlin and Harold Ramirez to injury. Sandlin is expected to be out at least 3-4 weeks so we may not see him again this year.

Tonight Plesac goes against lefty Tyler Alexander, 2-1, 4.35. Alexander, age 27, has made seven starts and 24 relief appearances this season. He's 5-8, 4.44 for his career. In 10.2 innings against the Indians this year he's given up 5 earned runs for a 4.22 ERA. He's tough on lefties but right-handed batters are hitting .297/.844. His numbers as a starter and reliever are virtually identical. When he starts he averages 14.4 batters faced, so they only let him go three innings or so. However, his last start was against the Indians and he shut them out for 5.1 innings, throwing only 62 pitches and getting 10 fly ball outs. That was easily his longest outing of the year.

Hopefully the Indians will take a look at the video of that game and see what his guy was doing that was so effective and make some adjustments. I'm assuming we'll have eight right-handed bats in the lineup (everybody except Zimmer) and righties have hit nearly .300 against Alexander.

Plesac is having a season to forget. His ERA since coming back from breaking his hand is 6.16. He's given up 10 earned runs in his last two starts. His last start was against the Tigers and they clawed him for 4 runs in 4 innings.

Miguel Cabrera will be looking to hit his 500th career home run in front of his home fans this weekend, so we might get some good-sized crowds. Miggy has three home runs in 42 at-bats against the Indians this year. However, only 4 of his 12 home runs this year have come at home in Detroit's spacious ball yard.

The Indians need to get back on track after blowing leads in the first two games against the A's and then getting annihilated in the third game. The only good thing is that they used the bottom of the bullpen yesterday so their better relievers should be available if they get a late lead.
Agree with this..
 
The rest of this season is...

1) A continuation of a years long tryout to determine which players will qualify for spring training.

2) A continuation of a years long tryout to determine which players will no longer be with the team in December.

3) Development for young players who have already made the cut.

4) A chance for other teams to do some window shopping.
 
TBH, if we finish 3rd in the division this year I won't be too upset. As long as we do it with kids.
Actually it means a higher draft choice anyway. If the Tigers beat us out, good for them. They're building a good little club.
 
I want to see home run number 500 no matter who it is..

Go Miggy!!!!
 
On a side note - everyone knew Miggy's contract was bloated and would be an albatross by this point. However, Detroit ended up:
1. Winning it all <-- edit thought they won it all. They did not.
2. Retaining a fan favorite who will be fondly remembered
3. A likely increased attendance for his "milestones" and eventual retirement.

Oh and now they are climbing back into contention, still a ways to go.. Funny how that works though. All that money Detroit spent on Miggy (and others) had some posters here howling at their stupidity.. Looks like money fairly well spent when you look at the whole not just the pieces that bolster your opinion.
 
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On a side note - everyone knew Miggy's contract was bloated and would be an albatross by this point. However, Detroit ended up:
1. Winning it all
2. Retaining a fan favorite who will be fondly remembered
3. A likely increased attendance for his "milestones" and eventual retirement.

Oh and now they are climbing back into contention, still a ways to go.. Funny how that works though. All that money Detroit spent on Miggy (and others) had some posters here howling at their stupidity.. Looks like money fairly well spent when you look at the whole not just the pieces that bolster your opinion.
The Tigers have paid Cabrera $146 million over the last five years. They will pay him $96 million over the next three years. I don't think they got their $248 million worth, but that's just me.
 
Since winning the division in 2014, the Tigers have won...

74 games
86
64
64
47
68 (pro rated)

They are on pace to win 79 this year, but they play 32 games vs contenders out of their last 45.

(We play 20 of our last 49 vs contenders)

In that seven year time frame, the Tigers have payed Miggy $202 million....with $64 mil still on the books.

In that time period, the Indians have been to the tenth inning of the seventh game of the World Series once, won the division three times, and captured a WC once...losing the division by one game in a short season.

We have won...

81 games
94
102
91
93
95 (pro rated)

And on pace to win 79 games, with the above caveat.

Anybody who thinks Detroits contract with Miggy is money fairly well spent...
 
Since winning the division in 2014, the Tigers have won...

74 games
86
64
64
47
68 (pro rated)

They are on pace to win 79 this year, but they play 32 games vs contenders out of their last 45.

(We play 20 of our last 49 vs contenders)

In that seven year time frame, the Tigers have payed Miggy $202 million....with $64 mil still on the books.

In that time period, the Indians have been to the tenth inning of the seventh game of the World Series once, won the division three times, and captured a WC once...losing the division by one game in a short season.

We have won...

81 games
94
102
91
93
95 (pro rated)

And on pace to win 79 games, with the above caveat.

Anybody who thinks Detroits contract with Miggy is money fairly well spent...
That's why I've always said those huge, bloated contracts never end well. 1 in every 100 might, but all the rest, good luck with that.
 
Three of Detroits SPs will be FAs, although only one would likely be a rotation piece next year. Two relievers will be FAs.

Eleven players will be arby eligible.

But you have to subtract $32 mil right off the bat to pay Miggy.

Our entire rotation is back, but we do have two relievers that will be FAs. We will have eight arby eligibles.

Detroit has $44 mil on the books for next year. We have $2.45 mil....$18 mil if we pick up options for Jose and Berto.

Joses option is $11 mil, with another $13 mil in 2023. Somebody will be paying him $40 mil less than Miggy over the next two years, unless an extension raises Joses salary.
 
What does that have to do with anything? Unless you are trying to illustrate our ownership doesn't spend money on their team?

Detroit has a different mode and spends money much more freely.

Cleveland tries to squeeze every penny out it's players/contracts most of the time.

Maybe will get to see a great (JRam) play his entire career in Cleveland. Pretty sure if that happens, by the end of his contract it should be a bloated albatross because that is how it works..

Detroit only has 44mil on the books? Shoot, that is bad news for us...
 
..and that 2.45 is if we buy out contracts - you could almost make the that we have $0 on the books for next season
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miggy's contact begin in 2016 - attendance was 2.5m - 3 years later it was 1.5m - to be fair it peaked in 2013 at 3.1m - year after they went to the WS

to be sure i dont really care much what other teams pay their guys - if you've got it flaunt -- but some of the contracts feel like give aways
 

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