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Okay since a lot of us already are talking about making trades, why don't we setup a thread for it!

@CDAV45 @CATS44 @Tondo

Honestly I was thinking a guy like Haniger would be a target. Their best prospects are OFs and have Lewis (when healthy) as their future CF.

I heard Olson and Canha names posted by Tondo as well, which both could make sense...

Plus who would we be willing to trade for a veteran since we do have around 6ish prospects we have no spot for on the roster who may need protected next season.

Plus I wouldn't mind one more veteran LH pitcher in the bullpen, but we do have interesting arms like Nelson, Hentges etc who could take some innings out there this season.

What do you guys think?
 
Personally, I'm far more interested in the team we have right now, which happens to have the best record in the division right now...lol.

As for possible trades at the deadline, we don't even know what our needs will be then, and probably won't until the AS break.
 
@Gson

The biggest question with the DBacks is who we can get from them. If out of the running I am sure Peralta would be available but what younger guys would be?

I am actually not against doing what we did for Mercado with teams if we can get players back that we need...
 
I love the idea of Olson. A lineup with Ramirez, Olsen, Reyes, and Rosario headed by Gimenez and Hernandez would be as good as any IMO.

The problem with acquiring Haniger is who is he going to replace? I guess you could put Naylor at 1B, but I don't like him there. I'd much rather get Olsen if possible. In my utopia we could get both, but that's just not realistic.

CATS will tell you that he's more interested in the team we have right now and how good they are after only playing the Tigers and the Royals. I'll reserve my excitement until they play some contenders. If they show as well against them as they have so far, then I'm with CATS. I still think getting a 1B bat like Olsen and maybe a legit CFer like Marte would put this team over the top. Of course Marte would have to return from his hamstring injury.

I mentioned in another thread the idea of using some of these prospects to acquire a young, inexpensive, controlled SP to put at the top of the rotation with Bieber and Plesac. I know that the SP is deep, but for immediate impact that would likely increase the odds in our favor. That's just a theory and it would obviously depend on who/what could be available. What if you could make an offer good enough to pry Keller out of Pittsburgh's grip? That's the kind of SP I'm talking about. It would be worth asking would it not?
 
Okay since a lot of us already are talking about making trades, why don't we setup a thread for it!

@CDAV45 @CATS44 @Tondo

Honestly I was thinking a guy like Haniger would be a target. Their best prospects are OFs and have Lewis (when healthy) as their future CF.

I heard Olson and Canha names posted by Tondo as well, which both could make sense...

Plus who would we be willing to trade for a veteran since we do have around 6ish prospects we have no spot for on the roster who may need protected next season.

Plus I wouldn't mind one more veteran LH pitcher in the bullpen, but we do have interesting arms like Nelson, Hentges etc who could take some innings out there this season.

What do you guys think?
Cleveland is not going to trade for Matt Olson, who is about to be much more expensive as he enters his final 2 seasons of arbitration in 2022 and 2023. I just don't see that happening Personally, it is too early to discuss deadline trades 8 games into the season. Lets see where we are in June and what we need then the topic makes much more sense. If they trade prospects at the level that Tondo is discussing, I think that they would want someone with more team control.

I find it humorous that we have some that want to trade Jose Ramirez with 3 years to get the best possible return and others who want to trade for players with 3 years of control. We all know that the Indians will be somewhere in between these two extremes.
 
I am not against the Olson idea, but the question is how much would we have to give up? He's on a team control for a couple more seasons after this one so the As don't have to trade him, which means they are in the driver's seat for his price...

Pirates just traded Taillon and Musgrove so they aren't trading Keller. They want to acquire more pitching, not trade the ace with years of control...
 
Cleveland is not going to trade for Matt Olson, who is about to be much more expensive as he enters his final 2 seasons of arbitration in 2022 and 2023. I just don't see that happening Personally, it is too early to discuss deadline trades 8 games into the season. Lets see where we are in June and what we need then the topic makes much more sense. If they trade prospects at the level that Tondo is discussing, I think that they would want someone with more team control.

I find it humorous that we have some that want to trade Jose Ramirez with 3 years to get the best possible return and others who want to trade for players with 3 years of control. We all know that the Indians will be somewhere in between these two extremes.

A's have the same type of market and strategy when it comes to certain things that the Indians do, so Olson actually isn't impossible to get if they are out of contention. Now the question is what would be the cost...

A's would likely need Bradley (as least as a stop gap) then a SP, MIF prospect and likely another prospect at the bare minimum We may be able to convince them to get the C Millas back (he's a 19 draft pick).

Honestly on paper it's very possible, but are we willing to give up that much for a guy who is likely to be pricey in the next two seasons after this one?

I personally would say, we would want guys with long term control, but how many teams are willing to give us a proven guy with 4-5 years of control? It's very unlikely at the end of the day.
 
Yeah, you only get young ML with multiple years of control back if you're the seller. That's how we got Reyes, Naylor, Gimenez, Quantrill, L. Allen, Clase

When you're the buyer, 2-3 years of control, like Olson, is actually best case scenario for contract control. It's either that or pure rentals.
 
Yeah, you only get young ML with multiple years of control back if you're the seller. That's how we got Reyes, Naylor, Gimenez, Quantrill, L. Allen, Clase

When you're the buyer, 2-3 years of control, like Olson, is actually best case scenario for contract control. It's either that or pure rentals.

Also the Indians wouldn't be afraid of extending Olson either... I would personally be okay with extending Olson for a couple seasons past his current contract.
 
Cleveland is not going to trade for Matt Olson, who is about to be much more expensive as he enters his final 2 seasons of arbitration in 2022 and 2023. I just don't see that happening Personally, it is too early to discuss deadline trades 8 games into the season. Lets see where we are in June and what we need then the topic makes much more sense. If they trade prospects at the level that Tondo is discussing, I think that they would want someone with more team control.

I find it humorous that we have some that want to trade Jose Ramirez with 3 years to get the best possible return and others who want to trade for players with 3 years of control. We all know that the Indians will be somewhere in between these two extremes.
How about if you want to wait until June to discuss this then do so yourself. Coach started a thread and it's interesting to some of us. You don't have to involve yourself if it agitates you.

Your idea of what people "want" is way over marginalized and terribly inaccurate. What most, if not all have said about Ramirez is that they don't want to see the same mistake made with him that was made with Kluber and Lindor. Especially if this lineup isn't improved. Everyone here wants to win. Some are happy with division titles and saying "we made the playoffs" and others measure the success by how deep they make it in October. If this organization cannot afford to assemble a good lineup around Ramirez then dealing him makes sense to some of us, while watching him walk in FA from a team that never really had a chance to win it all would appear on the surface to be a waste. At the same time, if they can add a bat like Olson's to the lineup, then the talk of trading Ramirez would probably slow down a bit because it would certainly appear that this team is equipped for a deep playoff run.

They've cleared a huge amount of payroll incase you didn't notice. Rosario likely hits FA after the season and I expect that Hernandez is moved with all the MIF studs. Could they afford Olson's arbitration? I can't honestly say yes or no, but the idea of him being added to the roster makes this team better for sure.

Instead of Olson, how about helping Pittsburgh in their rebuild and send them McKenzie, Hankins, and Rocchio for Keller and Reynolds? Might have to throw another low level arm in there too, but I would do it.
 
OK

Since so many seem more interested in trades than baseball....

The Indians would want an impact player who has some control at an affordable cost.

Haniger has another year of control and will cost close to what we are paying Hernandez.

Gallo also has another year of control and will cost slightly more than we are paying Eddie.

Both play for teams that are probably not going anywhere this year, and Texas looks to be more than a year away. Both teams have excess young players at the positions they play.

Both teams have organizational needs that we can easily fill.

The Cubs are in a spot, with three of their core players headed for free agency. If they fall out of contention, they almost have to sell off their biggest assets and go into full rebuild. Should that happen, their most valuable position asset is Ian Happ. He has two additional years of control, the first of which would be well within our budget. The Cubs biggest failure under Epstein was that they simply could not acquire and develope young pitching. We have lots of that.
 
Personally, I'm far more interested in the team we have right now, which happens to have the best record in the division right now...lol.

As for possible trades at the deadline, we don't even know what our needs will be then, and probably won't until the AS break.
It's pretty evident what we need. Our 1B batted 9th in a game this week and the combined production at 1B against below average (at best) pitching is bad and stands out compared to other positions.

Without looking it up, I'm pretty confident saying that we're the only team where 1B production is the worst in their lineup.
 
It's pretty evident what we need. Our 1B batted 9th in a game this week and the combined production at 1B against below average (at best) pitching is bad and stands out compared to other positions.

Without looking it up, I'm pretty confident saying that we're the only team where 1B production is the worst in their lineup.

But we have no idea who the 1B will be by the break, do we? We also don't know who will be playing CF by then, and maybe even RF. We don't know what injuries, if any, will need to be covered.
 
It's pretty evident what we need. Our 1B batted 9th in a game this week and the combined production at 1B against below average (at best) pitching is bad and stands out compared to other positions.

Without looking it up, I'm pretty confident saying that we're the only team where 1B production is the worst in their lineup.

Chang actually has been decent for us offensively, but Bauer hasn't been good...

I would honestly say, on paper if you can upgrade Gamel, Bauers and Hedges offensively then we would be fine...

Gamel, should be mostly a backup/5th OF, Hedges is the backup catcher, plus with Mercado, HRam and Johnson in the minors, I am not super worried about the OF depth. I would like a veteran in the mix, but we dont have to there.

1B is Bauers or Bradley, both unproven... To likely get Olson, both guys would be gone (Bauers cut and Bradley part of the deal..) Now if we got Canha or Mancini OF/1B type then just Bauers would be gone and Bradley kept for next season.

@CATS44 no we don't know who would be at 1B, but at the moment if Olson is available and we can afford to trade for him, wouldn't you want him over Bauers/Bradley at the moment? I just don't like Bauers, and if we get Olson, that really sets 1B without a doubt. Hitting is something we need and putting Olson behind Reyes would look lovely on paper lol
 
But we have no idea who the 1B will be by the break, do we? We also don't know who will be playing CF by then, and maybe even RF. We don't know what injuries, if any, will need to be covered.
I don't think we need to worry about what injuries will need to be covered. Those are simply out of the team's control and the only way to prepare for them is to have depth options. I'd say they have that already. What they can control is upgrading in areas of obvious need and 1B is a black hole at this time. Sure, Bradley could get promoted and mash, but what are the odds? Jones hasn't played above AA and has less than 200 AB there.

We're talking not only about upgrading the lineup, but relieving the roster crunch as well. You don't want to trade Ramirez and that's understandable, but let's assemble a lineup around him that can bring home the hardware.
 

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