2021 Trade Ideas and Deadline talk!

[CDAV45]

Most of the haze is from trying to consider & think about the unknown (guys not in the organization at this point).
Deal with who is in the organization at this point, it gets easier.

A couple of the guys on the list won't make it thru the 2021 season on the 40 man (Blake Parker/ Rene Rivera) unless more injuries.

My haze isn't from trying to consider the unknowns like Marte and/or Haniger. It comes from this clusterfucked roster. For example, what is Amed Rosario to this team going forward? Most think he's our future CFer because his bat plays and his glove doesn't at SS. If that is indeed the case then why even consider Zimmer or Mercado? Why put the transition off until next season?

What about Jordan Luplow? How does he fit if Naylor and HRam are on the roster? This is before we even consider how Daniel Johnson may fit in or any possible upgrades.

For the love of baby Jesus they need a C that can hit better than most pitchers. I know the defense is the most important factor when it comes to catchers, but damn, they can't hit under .200 either.

I agree with most of your list except for Roberto Perez and Zach Plesac. I don't see how they can move Plesac until more of our young pitching shows that they are ready.

John, my idea centered around acquiring a young starter or 2. I think trading Plesac could net you someone like Muller or Davidson from Atlanta as an example. Maybe both. The Blue Jays might give Woods Richardson and more for Plesac. You get the general idea of what I'm trying to say. I agree that it could be risky, but I think CA and MC do their homework on acquisitions. The innings limits on McKenzie, Quantrill, and Mejia shouldn't be as drastic either so there's that to consider as well.

It just doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever to pay Perez $7M next season. Maybe they decline his option and strike a new deal, but I personally hope they don't waste that much money on him. I don't know if Perez and Hedges combined are worth $7M TBH. I'd rather pay Gomes the $6M he's making this year.

 

[Criznit]

FWIW. I think the tribe has decided that until further notice Zimmer is our regular CFer and Amed is our regular SS. It's their familiar stomping ground and until a SS in AAA forces the issue that is just the way it is going to be. If Amed stops hitting or Zimmer can't keep doing what he's doing then you may take another look internally and go with Gimenez or Mercado or Johnson.

All bets are off at seasons end...

 

[MadThinker88]

There is $22.6M freed up when Eddie Rosario and Blake Parker are gone, and the options of Perez and Hernandez are declined/traded(Hernandez). They could also deal Wittgren and save another $2M+ bringing the total to more than $24M off the books of the already lowest team payroll in the league of $52M.

What does any of that mean? I really don't know without having an idea of what the limit is for the 2022 payroll. Maybe, just maybe they can sit comfortably at $80M. If that is the case then the $52M being paid this season minus the $24 coming off the books would give them $50M+ to pay for arbitration raises and other expenditures. If payroll only goes up to $60M for 22 there will still be $30M+ to pay for arbitration raises plus any acquisitions. Marte is owed $8M next season and Haniger is making a little over $3M this season so what could he reasonably expect for a raise in 22? The point is that I don't think there would be a payroll issue by adding Marte and Haniger if that were to happen, and I don't think there is a snowball's chance in hell that it will.

From what I located at Baseball Reference with the salaries, your incorrect in your math.
They do not get to $22.6M freed across those 4 guys or over $24M cutting/ non-tendering Wittgren.

Eddie R = 8M
Cesar H = 5M
B Parker = under 1M (if he made the team out of spring training for the full season it was 1M; he didn't so he was getting less will playing in the minors. Lets use .750M for calculations
Perez = 5.5M If bought out, he still gets .450M as a buyout which is part of the 2022 payroll.

So even if Perez is bought out, its closer to $18.8M freed. Moving on from Wittgren also ($2M) has it under $21M freed.

The budget was tighter after last year (no fans in 2020/ unknown fan attendance for 2021) but the team kept what they valued: D first catchers that are great handling a pitching staff. With that in mind, I figure Perez & Hedges will both be back for 2022 (until the CLE FO does otherwise)..

 

[CDAV45]

From what I located at Baseball Reference with the salaries, your incorrect in your math.
They do not get to $22.6M freed across those 4 guys or over $24M cutting/ non-tendering Wittgren.

Eddie R = 8M
Cesar H = 5M
B Parker = under 1M (if he made the team out of spring training for the full season it was 1M; he didn't so he was getting less will playing in the minors. Lets use .750M for calculations
Perez = 5.5M If bought out, he still gets .450M as a buyout which is part of the 2022 payroll.

So even if Perez is bought out, its closer to $18.8M freed. Moving on from Wittgren also ($2M) has it under $21M freed.

The budget was tighter after last year (no fans in 2020/ unknown fan attendance for 2021) but the team kept what they valued: D first catchers that are great handling a pitching staff. With that in mind, I figure Perez & Hedges will both be back for 2022 (until the CLE FO does otherwise)..

I was counting the money owed to Cesar next season should his option be declined. It's money they were/are prepared to spend. His option for the 22 season is $6M. If they trade him by the deadline that is another $2.5M saved from this season.

Eddie's $8M is gone after this season. $4M of that $8M will be gone should they trade him by the deadline.

Parker is being paid $2.5M this season according to Spotrac. The adjusted salary for Cleveland is $1,612,920.

Perez is making $5.5M this season and has a $7M option for 22. As I did with Cesar, I'm using the 22 option amount because it is money they were/are prepared to spend. With the buyout it would be closer to $6.5M.

Well, they're hurting this team if they bring both Perez and Hedges back at $11m. That would be a terrible waste and no amount of "good defense" can make up for that amount of money. Good defensive catchers that can't hit for shit are inexpensive. I'd rather pay Gomes who can actually hit a little and handle a pitching staff. Too bad we shit canned Haase in order to bring on Hedges and Rivera. Hindsight is a MFer!

 

[CDAV45]

FWIW. I think the tribe has decided that until further notice Zimmer is our regular CFer and Amed is our regular SS. It's their familiar stomping ground and until a SS in AAA forces the issue that is just the way it is going to be. If Amed stops hitting or Zimmer can't keep doing what he's doing then you may take another look internally and go with Gimenez or Mercado or Johnson.

All bets are off at seasons end...

Well of course they have since that's what is happening, but it doesn't clear things up in the slightest when looking toward the future. The answers may be upon us shortly or we may be left dazed and confused. Either way it's fun to watch them play good ball as they did tonight.

 

[WorldFreeB]

Any interest in this catcher just DFA'd by the Rays.. Some pretty decent power numbers in the minors and still kind of young..

Deivy Grullon Stats | Baseball-Reference.com

Career: 0 HR, .167 BA, 2 RBI, C/PH, Phillies/RedSox 2019-2020, b:R/t:R, born in Dominican Republic. 1996

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This might not be a bad idea at this point if Hedges is going to miss some time. I don't have any idea how good he is defensively but
we might need a body if they are down to just Rivera.

 

[Wham with the Right Hand]

The Athletic's latest power rankings have the Indians 14th. Here's the writeup...

When they woke up Saturday morning, the Indians had one healthy hitter — it was, of course, José Ramirez — with better-than-league-average offensive numbers. His OPS+ was a robust 139. Next-highest on the team was minor-league call-up Harold Ramirez at 99....

The Indians are a strange team this season. We’re used to them being pretty good, and doing so on the back of a good rotation and an elite left side of the infield. But now the Indians are trying to stay competitive in the middle of a rebuild while leaning heavily on their strong bullpen and trying to survive injuries in their outfield and their top-heavy rotation. And, you know what? They’re doing OK.

Yep, 14th out of 30 is OK. They're ranked 8 of 15 in the American League.

The glass half empty approach is that they're a mediocre team. A 14th ranking is about as close to average as you can get. Their record is 33-27 but they've played one of the easiest schedules.

The glass half full approach is that only one hitter is above league average so far but others, like Harold, Eddie, Amed, and Cesar, are likely to get there. The offense has been below normal and will revert to the mean in the second half. It's showing signs of happening already.

 

[cliffdawg]

Having read every trade posts, but is Marte a wishful get, because Arizona is so bad, or is Arizona looking to move him……

 

[Criznit]

Having read every trade posts, but is Marte a wishful get, because Arizona is so bad, or is Arizona looking to move him……

Because Arizona is so bad. Their farm system is pretty good though, top 10ish material. Considering the toughness of their division (and a pretty bad looking pitching staff) they may decide loading their system or acquiring someone like Plesac would be a wise move.

Because he is not a rental, and a really good player who has a rather affordable contract.... The price will be steep.

Also, right now no one is interested in Eddie Rosario, but he may heat up. Dumping his salary maybe a way to help mitigate some cost, but think Eddie is here for the duration of 2021.

 

[CDAV45]

Having read every trade posts, but is Marte a wishful get, because Arizona is so bad, or is Arizona looking to move him……

Probably both. Arizona will not be competing in the next year or 2 so dealing Marte may in their best interest. From some posters here, Marte would seem to be a good fit and a great addition to a mediocre line up. Either way the price would be substantial, and understandably so. He's a damn good player signed to a team friendly deal.

 

[sportscoach]

Okay let's make a trade list of possible candidates.... this is more of the high probability, guys like Marquez, Marte etc won't be added to this since their respective teams have long term control over them...

Orioles- 3B Maikel Franco, SS Freddy Galvis, SP/RP Matt Harvey, 1B/OF Trey Mancini

Rangers- Util Brock Holt, Util Charlie Culberson, RF Joey Gallo, OF David Dahl, SP Kyle Gibson, SP Jordan Lyles, RP Joely Rodriguez, SP Mike Foltynewicz

Mariners- 3B Kyle Seager, OF Mitch Haniger, RP Rafael Montero, RP Kendall Graveman, RP Hector Santiago,

Twins- SS Andrelton Simmons, SP Michael Pineda, SP J.A. Happ, SP Matt Shoemaker, RP Hansel Robles, DH Nelson Cruz,

Tigers- C Wilson Ramos (if healthy in time), INF Jonathan Schoop, OF Robbie Grossman, OF Nomad Mazara, SP Matt Boyd, SP Jose Urena, RP Daniel Norris, RP Michael Fulmer (if healthy)

Royals- INF Hanser Alonso, OF Andrew Benintendi, OF Michael Taylor, OF Jarrod Dyson, DH/OF Jorge Soler, RP Greg Holland, RP Wade Davis, RP Ervin Santana, SP Dan Duffy (if healthy)

Nationals- C Yan Gomes, C Alex Avila, INF Starlin Castro, INF Josh Harrison, INF Jordy Mercer, SP Max Scherzer, SP Jon Lester, SP Joe Ross, RP Brad Hand, RP Daniel Hudson (if healthy) RP Luis Avilan (if healthy), 1B Josh Bell,

Pirates- 2B Adam Frazier, SS Erik Gonzalez, OF Ben Gamel, SP Tyler Anderson, SP Chad Kuhl, RP Felipe Vazquez, RP Chasen Shreve, RP/SP Trevor Cahill (if healthy) 1B/3B Colin Moran

Rockies- C Elias Diaz, 1B CJ Cron, SS Trevor Story, OF Charlie Blackman, OF Ian Desmond, SP Jon Gray (if healthy), RP Mychael Givens, RP Daniel Bard, RP Carlos Estevez, RP Jhoulys Chacin,

DBacks- C Stephan Vogt, INF Asdrubal Cabrera, 3B Eduardo Escobar, LF David Peralta, RF Josh Reddick, SP Joakim Soria,

 

[sportscoach]

Last list narrowed down...

1B/OF Mancini

Good guy, okayish on defense, solid bat, and has another year of control... Good fit for the lineup and this organization...

OF Joey Gallo

Tremendous power, solid OF defense, strikes out a ton, but on paper getting him behind a JRam...

SP Kyle Gibson

Familiar with the Central Division, not an All-Star but has always been solid. Goes deep into games.. second year of control as well at a good price... Good fit and will take pressure off of the young guys...

OF Mitch Haniger

What's not to like, second year of control, when healthy a 25+ HR guy, solid the OF, fits what we need in the lineup...

To me that's who I would narrow things down too in a trade...

Now onto fun and interesting ideas!!! Gotta make it fun right...

Max Scherzer... Let's get him and let people say Dolan is cheap after that...If healthy, with Bieber and Civale with Plesac as the 4th starter... *Drool*

Next up is... Yan Gomes... Why you say? Cause We can bring back a former Indian! Plus unlike Perez and Hedges, he can play other positions... He used to play a mean 3B in his Toronto days, let him be a bench/utility guy to finish the season for us...

Then we go too... Jon Lester... Isn't he too old? Eh... On the old side, but has won 3 rings and we have a ton of young pitchers, having him around, probably would help them out a lot. Lester knows Francona well plus a ton of experience and knowledge he can hopefully impart to the young guys...Veteran for the stretch run....

 

[TxBuckeye]

Last list narrowed down...

1B/OF Mancini

Good guy, okayish on defense, solid bat, and has another year of control... Good fit for the lineup and this organization...

OF Joey Gallo

Tremendous power, solid OF defense, strikes out a ton, but on paper getting him behind a JRam...

SP Kyle Gibson

Familiar with the Central Division, not an All-Star but has always been solid. Goes deep into games.. second year of control as well at a good price... Good fit and will take pressure off of the young guys...

OF Mitch Haniger

What's not to like, second year of control, when healthy a 25+ HR guy, solid the OF, fits what we need in the lineup...

To me that's who I would narrow things down too in a trade...

Now onto fun and interesting ideas!!! Gotta make it fun right...

Max Scherzer... Let's get him and let people say Dolan is cheap after that...If healthy, with Bieber and Civale with Plesac as the 4th starter... *Drool*

Next up is... Yan Gomes... Why you say? Cause We can bring back a former Indian! Plus unlike Perez and Hedges, he can play other positions... He used to play a mean 3B in his Toronto days, let him be a bench/utility guy to finish the season for us...

Then we go too... Jon Lester... Isn't he too old? Eh... On the old side, but has won 3 rings and we have a ton of young pitchers, having him around, probably would help them out a lot. Lester knows Francona well plus a ton of experience and knowledge he can hopefully impart to the young guys...Veteran for the stretch run....

Yan Gomes......Plus unlike Perez and Hedges he can hit (fify)

 

[Gson]

Probably both. Arizona will not be competing in the next year or 2 so dealing Marte may in their best interest. From some posters here, Marte would seem to be a good fit and a great addition to a mediocre line up. Either way the price would be substantial, and understandably so. He's a damn good player signed to a team friendly deal.

eggz zack lee what the Indians love to get..

 

[KluberSociety]

Gibson just seems like too good of a fit. I wonder what the Rangers would ask for. He'd be that Jake Westbrook type that'd fill up a rotation slot that has been much worse than Jake Bauers. Also that kind of a pitcher generally doesn't fetch the biggest price from buyers who are more focused on someone dominant for the playoffs. Hopefully the price is right and he'd slot right into an area of desperate need.

Yes our hitting is bad and it could be improved but I don't think slotting one good hitter into it is going to change as much to our W-L total, especially for the price, as adding that SP which will allow us to develop our young starters like TMac, and give us more bullpen depth and really just give our bullpen a rest.

I know @sportscoach mentioned wanting a Tomlin kind of clubhouse pitcher, and Gibson also seems to fit that: https://www.mlb.com/news/kyle-gibson-a-leader-in-rangers-clubhouse-on-field

Try to be a playoff contender this year, and if not we wouldn't be selling out our future.