2022 Cleveland Guardians Regular Season Thread

[CBBI]

I don't know if it's a mandatory feature of the forum software or whatever, but why even have a report button if we're actively discouraged to never use it?

Seems odd that it would exist in the first place unless you guys have no choice in the matter.

 

[Mr. Orange]

Baseball doesn’t always make sense. I’ll be quite honest, some crazy shit can happen in baseball and it’s a game of not only momentum but streaks (both good and bad). Look at this year as a prime example… 101 win Mets and Braves bounced. The 111 win Dodgers bounced by an 89 win Padres team. It’s not always the best team that wins. Baseball is unique in that way. How often does a team in the NBA win it all that’s below, say, a 4 seed?

Actually, that’s a good topic to do research on.

Recent NBA champions and seed:
21-22: Warriors (3)
20-21: Bucks (3)
19-20: Lakers (1)
18-19: Raptors (2)
17-18: Warriors (2)
16-17: Warriors (1)
15-16: Cavs (1)
14-15: Warriors (1)
13-14: Spurs (1)
12-13: Heat (1)
11-12: Heat (2)
10-11: Mavs (3)
09-10: Lakers (1)
08-09: Lakers (1)
07-08: Celtics (1)
06-07: Spurs (3)
05-06: Heat (2)
04-05: Spurs (2)
03-04: Pistons (3)
02-03: Spurs (1)
01-02: Lakers (3)
00-01: Lakers (2)
99-00: Lakers (1)
98-99: Spurs (1)
97-98: Bills (1)
96-97: Bulls (1)
95-96: Bulls (1)

In 27 years of data, no seed lower than a 3(!!) has won it all. 15 times (55.6%) of the time, won by a 1 seed, 6 times (22.2%) by a 2 seed, and 6 times by a 3 seed (22.2%). 77.8% by a 1 or 2 seed.

Now let’s look at the NFL…
21-22: Rams (4)
20-21: Buccaneers (5)
19-20: Chiefs (2)
18–19: Patriots (2)
17-18: Eagles (1)
16-17: Patriots (1)
15-16: Broncos (1)
14-15: Patriots (1)
13-14: Seahawks (1)
12-13: Ravens (4)
11-12: Giants (4)
10-11: Packers (6)
09-10: Saints (1)
08-09: Steelers (2)
07-08: Giants (5)
06-07: Colts (3)
05-06: Steelers (6)
04-05: Patriots (2)
03-04: Patriots (1)
02-03: Buccaneers (2)
01-02: Patriots (2)
00-01: Ravens (4)
99-00: Rams (1)
98-99: Broncos (1)
97-98: Broncos (4)
96-97: Packers (1)
95-96: Cowboys (1)

A little more parity here. 12 times (44.4%) in 27 years a 1 seed has won the Super Bowl. 6 times (22.2%) by a 2 seed. 1 time (3.7%) by a 3 seed. 5 times (18.5%) for a 4 seed. 2 times (7.4%) by a 5 seed. And 2 times (7.4%) by a 6 seed. 66.7% of the time has been won by a 1 or 2 seed.

Nooooow let’s look at MLB.
2021: Braves (5)
2020: Dodgers (1)
2019: Nationals (3)
2018: Red Sox (1)
2017: Astros (2)
2016: Cubs (1)
2015: Royals (1)
2014: Giants (5)
2013: Red Sox (1)
2012: Giants (3)
2011: Cardinals (4)
2010: Giants (2)
2009: Yankees (1)
2008: Phillies (2)
2007: Red Sox (1)
2006: Cardinals (4)
2005: White Sox (1)
2004: Red Sox (2)
2003: Marlins (3)
2002: Angels (4)
2001: Diamondbacks (2)
2000: Yankees (3)
1999: Yankees (1)
1998: Yankees (1)
1997: Marlins (4)
1996: Yankees (1)
1995: Braves (1)

One thing to note, MLB playoff structure has changed several times here. Anyway, same number as the NFL for 1 seeds..12 times (44.4%). 5 times (18.5%) for 2 seeds. 4 times (14.8%) for 3 seeds. 4 times for 4 seeds (14.8%). And 2 times (7.4%) for 5 seeds. 63.0% win rate for 1 and 2 seeds.

So, in terms of 1 or 2 seeds winning it all over the last 27 years…
NBA 77.8%
NFL 66.7%
MLB 63.0%

This is good stuff. Thanks for pulling the stats. So baseball is a bit more random. But I think this is why so many have become frustrated with the Indians/Guardians. 10+ times in the playoffs in an era where 2/3 of MLB has won a title but we always come up short. It’s hard to believe after awhile. Can’t believe we lost in 1997

 

[Sebastian]

I don't know if it's a mandatory feature of the forum software or whatever, but why even have a report button if we're actively discouraged to never use it?

Seems odd that it would exist in the first place unless you guys have no choice in the matter.

It's part of the software package.

Ben also discouraged its use for the same reason I do.

So the rules have been in place for like a decade.

It is on occasion used correctly.

We use a chain of command because 95% of problems can be solved at the sub-Forum level and each sub-Forum moderator is best equipped to handle the situation because they are most familiar with the posters and history of the threads. Moreover, they can act much more quickly than if I have to investigate everything.

By the time a complaint gets up to me, it should be ready for adjudication based on a moderator's recommendation. 95% of the time I follow their recommendation for banning or warnings. We do it that way because I don't have time to investigate every complaint, and if I don't know the nuances of the situation, it increases the chances of an unjust punishment.

Using the chain of command ensures everyone gets a fair shake in a timely manner and prevents blanket bans due to volume.

 

[MirORich]

2007: Blew a 3-1 lead

2016: Blew a 3-1 lead

2017: Blew a 2-0 lead

2022: Blew a 2-1 lead

The only game that matters is the last one. This is a VERY disturbing trend. Statistically speaking we should have won all 4 series. We lost them all. Yikes.

Probably late to the party but connecting this series to 2016-2017 ( let alone 2007 and 97! as you mentioned in a follow up post) is just beyond all logic and purely emotional.

There is no parallel. No connections to those rosters and situations.

And furthermore, you can find many many cases of either teams who have made the playoffs less in those time spans, teams who made the playoffs a similar amount without advancing at all, or teams that have yes, also blown leads.

The results are the results and no doubt it sucks for us to not have a word series win in most our lifetimes but there is no curse and certainly no connection between this years overachievers/youngest roster in MLB and 2016/2017, 2007, or 1997