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2022 Cleveland Guardians Regular Season Thread

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Hot take alert. I think more highly of Antonetti and Chernof than I do Mark Shapiro. I think he was a little overrated.

I'm not going to disagree here, but it also feels like Francona is always on the same page as Antonetti and Chernoff, so they blend well. Not sure Shapiro ever had that chemistry with a manager. Plus Antonetti I think is willing to take more risk than Shapiro as well...
 
I'm not going to disagree here, but it also feels like Francona is always on the same page as Antonetti and Chernoff, so they blend well. Not sure Shapiro ever had that chemistry with a manager. Plus Antonetti I think is willing to take more risk than Shapiro as well...

Wasn’t a huge issue with later Shapiro teams that he sort of abandoned the draft or that they drafted poorly?
 
It should also be noted, it seems like only 1 poster really opined on Alex Call's getting the boot with any sincerity.

Edit. I removed portions of my post and edited it. It was crummy and I am having a bad day.
 
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Wasn’t a huge issue with later Shapiro teams that he sort of abandoned the draft or that they drafted poorly?

I wouldn't say abandoned the draft, he just had a tendency to go for tools over floor and Antonetti has gone more floor over tools...
 
It should also be noted, it seems like only 1 poster really opined on Alex Call's boot with any real sincerity. I liked him but am/was pretty indifferent about it. Yet he was singled out, and had a decent discussion with the "boss".. However, because so many of you are lemmings/yes men you ran with it and it becomes something it never was..

1 poster. ONE.

Easier to jump on the bandwagon though.

I was the one who said Call should be up as the 4th OF over Mercado...
 
Wasn’t a huge issue with later Shapiro teams that he sort of abandoned the draft or that they drafted poorly?
Hot take alert. I think more highly of Antonetti and Chernof than I do Mark Shapiro. I think he was a little overrated.

Just going to pair these together because they go hand in hand.

1. You’d be hard pressed to go to any organization right now and not find someone who was a scout or analyst or lower level exec for Cleveland in the late 90s to late-2000s in a high level position.

2. After all that purge happened and most of the front office was poached, that’s when Shapiro promoted around him (CA to GM) and strategically started hiring Baseball America, Baseball Prospectus, and internet scouts to fairly lower level positions before that was even a thing. It then took a little while for those guys to become the primary voice in the scouting/drafting process.

Shapiro laid the groundwork for everything you are seeing happen over the last decade. The drafting improvements, international FA improvements, etc. all of those high level decision makers now are guys Shapiro targeted from non-traditional means.

And then teams started copying that idea and now teams are poaching again. The cycle will continue to go on and on.
 
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Just going to pair these together because they go hand in hand.

1. You’d be hard pressed to go to any organization right now and not find someone who was a scout or analyst or lower level exec for Cleveland in the late 90s to late-2000s in a high level position.

2. After all that purge happened and most of the front office was poached, that’s when Shapiro promoted around him (CA to GM) and strategically started hiring Baseball America, Baseball Prospectus, and internet scouts to fairly lower level positions before that was even a thing. It then took a little while for those guys to become the primary voice in the scouting/drafting process.

Shapiro laid the groundwork for everything you are seeing happen over the last decade. The drafting improvements, international FA improvements, etc. all of those high level decision makers now are guys Shapiro targeted from non-traditional means.

And then teams started copying that idea and now teams are poaching again. The cycle will continue to go on and on.

I vaguely remember someone overseeing the draft, and once removed, saw a drastic shift in the attention to it.

I can’t remember the name.
 
I vaguely remember someone overseeing the draft, and once removed, saw a drastic shift in the attention to it.

I can’t remember the name.

Brad Grant.

But he also is a reason all these BA and BP guys were hired in the first place.

Current #2 voice on the amateur side is a guy who was hired away from Perfect Game.

Current assistant GM and EVP was hired from Baseball America.

Those guys from not normal backgrounds are in high level positions and have been for a bit, but working up takes time on the front office side of things. Took them 6 and 9 years respectively to reach their current level.
 
Is the team so well-run because they have so little money to spend and have to be meticulous? Would they be a worse-run franchise if they were bigger spenders? I just wonder if guys lose their edge when they have the safety net of cash to break their falls.
 
Is the team so well-run because they have so little money to spend and have to be meticulous? Would they be a worse-run franchise if they were bigger spenders? I just wonder if guys lose their edge when they have the safety net of cash to break their falls.

What level of budget are we talking about? Cause that would actually affect the way the FO runs things... I mean to succeed as a small market, you have to be much better at maneuvering since you have way less room for errors....
 
Brad Grant.

But he also is a reason all these BA and BP guys were hired in the first place.

Current #2 voice on the amateur side is a guy who was hired away from Perfect Game.

Current assistant GM and EVP was hired from Baseball America.

Those guys from not normal backgrounds are in high level positions and have been for a bit, but working up takes time on the front office side of things. Took them 6 and 9 years respectively to reach their current level.
I remember when Toronto hired Shapiro, one of the reasons they stated was his maximizing revenue at Cleveland, and how they wanted to do the same in Toronto.

It could have been all bullshit, but one thing that I think fans forget about is there is more to the job than just getting talent into the organization.
 
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