2022 Hot Stove

[sportscoach]

Someone noted in the R5 draft thread that the mlb portion has been cancelled but the minor league portion is moving forward like normal..

The question is are they going to reinstate the Rule 5 MLB portion if the lockout ends? Guys essentially lost their places/some their jobs in a sense to keep talent protected and if the draft doesn't happen, did they lose their spots to guys that may not even be MLB ready? It's not like we will see Noel, Tena, etc in 22... Johnson wouldn't have been cut from the 40 man since he still had an option left.

Honestly it's not really a huge deal at the end of the day, but it did lose 90-100 or so players financial security since they are no longer on a 40 man roster/eligible to be called up at the current moment.

 

[Criznit]

The question is are they going to reinstate the Rule 5 MLB portion if the lockout ends? Guys essentially lost their places/some their jobs in a sense to keep talent protected and if the draft doesn't happen, did they lose their spots to guys that may not even be MLB ready? It's not like we will see Noel, Tena, etc in 22... Johnson wouldn't have been cut from the 40 man since he still had an option left.

Honestly it's not really a huge deal at the end of the day, but it did lose 90-100 or so players financial security since they are no longer on a 40 man roster/eligible to be called up at the current moment.

I would expect the players union would not allow a cancellation of the rule 5 draft and it will take place ASAP.

 

[petes999]

As Rule 5 hasnt been mentioned, I doubt it gets addressed with other things of higher priority. And, be honest, mlb players are not worried about the few dfas who cant find a 40 man job and thus are nri instead. A Mejia or Johnson will still have some job next year.

They will fight for "minimum wage" for minor leagures as it affects more people and gets public sympathy on their side for their main arbitration/fa demands.

 

[BimboColesHair]

There will be an MLB Rule 5 when the lockout is over.

 

[sportscoach]

There will be an MLB Rule 5 when the lockout is over.

If the deal gets done let's say in April, how do you think they will go about that and spring training?

 

[petes999]

If the deal gets done let's say in April, how do you think they will go about that and spring training?

I would think this is the easiest 15-30 min conference call. Its the remaining FA signings and arbitration process, esp if changed on how things are calculated/rewarded, that will take time.

 

[sportscoach]

I would think this is the easiest 15-30 min conference call. Its the remaining FA signings and arbitration process, esp if changed on how things are calculated/rewarded, that will take time.

I meant how is the schedule probably gonna look like overall... not just the Rule 5

 

[Gson]

I meant how is the schedule probably gonna look like overall... not just the Rule 5

Hitters need about 30 AB's to be ready to face ML pitching. Pitchers need about 20 to 24 innings... Three weeks for hitters.. five weeks for pitchers.. minimum.. take it from there..

 

[sportscoach]

Hitters need about 30 AB's to be ready to face ML pitching. Pitchers need about 20 to 24 innings... Three weeks for hitters.. five weeks for pitchers.. minimum.. take it from there..

Would spring just start straight up or will there be time for guys to sign?

 

[Gson]

Would spring just start straight up or will there be time for guys to sign?

Teams can only practice with the guys that are present.. signing in.. singing Karaoke... or whatever.. Travel visas are going to be more of an issue than ever.. That's a line that needs to be crossed at some future date.. but there's no reason the CleFO can't be prepared for assisting the players wherever they are..

 

[MirORich]

 

[CATS44]

Gson brings up something that may put some pressure on the MLBPA from within....travel visas.

They are often a problem in normal times. Every year we see players get hung up with visas and end up arriving late.

But these are far from normal times. Not only in terms of a possible strike, but also Covid is still around, and a break out in a Latin American country could close all doors from that area.

If negotiations go to the brink of spring training, which may be a best case scenario, a lot of foreign players may not be ready for opening day.

 

[CATS44]

There is a fair number of players who are gonna be hurt by an extended negotiation, even if it ends as early as mid January.

There are more lower and mid level FAs than there are MLB jobs....and if there are only two or three weeks before ST to find a deal, a lot of them will have to choose between signing for less than expected or signing a minor league contract devoid of any guarantees.

It will be like musical chairs....the ones that hold out for a better contract may be left without a spot in MLB.

Whether the MLBPA 'wins' or 'loses', there are gonna be a lot of players who lose...if things don't get settled quickly.

 

[BimboColesHair]

Gson brings up something that may put some pressure on the MLBPA from within....travel visas.

They are often a problem in normal times. Every year we see players get hung up with visas and end up arriving late.

But these are far from normal times. Not only in terms of a possible strike, but also Covid is still around, and a break out in a Latin American country could close all doors from that area.

If negotiations go to the brink of spring training, which may be a best case scenario, a lot of foreign players may not be ready for opening day.

That’s not how P-1 visas work for baseball players.

The free agents, sure they might have a problem though.

 

[CATS44]

That’s not how P-1 visas work for baseball players.

The free agents, sure they might have a problem though.

Maybe, but every year multiple foreign players get hung up with Visa problems.