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About 10-12 of them have been listed/mentioned/discussed over the past 3-4 pages but the more the merrier. Unless it's something that's pinned, it's always going to fall back pages, sometimes in a single day depending on how frequent the conversation in this thread is.

So I was wrong about the number of guys on my list...its 33. Here ya go:

Adrian Griffin Jr 6'6" SF Duke Fr
Nikola Jovic 6'10" F Serbia
Caleb Houstan 6'8" SF Mich Fr
Jabari Smith 6'9" F Auburn Fr
Patrick Baldwin Jr 6'10" F Wisc-Mil Fr
Mojave King 6'5" Wing Australia
Payton Watson 6'9" SF UCLA Fr
Ousmane Dieng 6'8" SF New Zealand (France)
Benedict Mathurin 6'7" Wing Arizona SO
Max Christie 6'5" Wing Michigan Fr
Matthew Cleveland 6'6" Wing Florida State
Taevion Kinsey 6'5" Wing Marshall
Matthew Mayer 6'9" SF Baylor Sr
Julian Champagnie 6'7" SF St John's SO
Jermaine Samuels 6'7" SF Villanova
Jabari Walker 6'8" SF Colorado SO
Marcus Bagley 6'7" SF ASU SO
Jalen Wilson 6'8" SF Kansas
Jordan Hall 6'8" SF St Joe's
Ron Harper Jr 6'6" Wing Rutgers
Johnny Juzang 6'7" Wing UCLA Jr
Hyunjung Lee 6'7" Wing Davidson
Josh Minott 6'8" Wing Memphis
Micah Peavy 6'7" Wing TCU
Abramo Canka 6'7" SF Italy
Gabriele Procida 6'7" Wing Italy
Yannick Kraag 6'8" SF Netherlands
Mario Nakic 6'7" SF Serbia
Matthew Alexander-Moncrieffe 6'7" SF OK State
Landers Nolley II 6'7" SF Memphis
Julian Strawther 6'7" SF Gonzaga
Marko Pecarski 6'9" SF Serbia
Cole Swider 6'9" SF Syracuse
 
I would add Jalen Duren, Peyton Watson and Jabari Smith on my list too

Jalen Duren
Nikola Jovic
Caleb Houston
Patrick Baldwin Jr
Adrian Griffin
Jabari Smith
Jaden Hardy
Peyton Watson

I’m hoping this class is as good as 2021.
 
So I was wrong about the number of guys on my list...its 33. Here ya go:

Adrian Griffin Jr 6'6" SF Duke Fr
Nikola Jovic 6'10" F Serbia
Caleb Houstan 6'8" SF Mich Fr
Jabari Smith 6'9" F Auburn Fr
Patrick Baldwin Jr 6'10" F Wisc-Mil Fr
Mojave King 6'5" Wing Australia
Payton Watson 6'9" SF UCLA Fr
Ousmane Dieng 6'8" SF New Zealand (France)
Benedict Mathurin 6'7" Wing Arizona SO
Max Christie 6'5" Wing Michigan Fr
Matthew Cleveland 6'6" Wing Florida State
Taevion Kinsey 6'5" Wing Marshall
Matthew Mayer 6'9" SF Baylor Sr
Julian Champagnie 6'7" SF St John's SO
Jermaine Samuels 6'7" SF Villanova
Jabari Walker 6'8" SF Colorado SO
Marcus Bagley 6'7" SF ASU SO
Jalen Wilson 6'8" SF Kansas
Jordan Hall 6'8" SF St Joe's
Ron Harper Jr 6'6" Wing Rutgers
Johnny Juzang 6'7" Wing UCLA Jr
Hyunjung Lee 6'7" Wing Davidson
Josh Minott 6'8" Wing Memphis
Micah Peavy 6'7" Wing TCU
Abramo Canka 6'7" SF Italy
Gabriele Procida 6'7" Wing Italy
Yannick Kraag 6'8" SF Netherlands
Mario Nakic 6'7" SF Serbia
Matthew Alexander-Moncrieffe 6'7" SF OK State
Landers Nolley II 6'7" SF Memphis
Julian Strawther 6'7" SF Gonzaga
Marko Pecarski 6'9" SF Serbia
Cole Swider 6'9" SF Syracuse

@Nathan S @I'mWithDan or anyone else, any interest in starting your 2022 database with some of these dudes?
 
@Nathan S @I'mWithDan or anyone else, any interest in starting your 2022 database with some of these dudes?

I tend to wait on new guys, in terms of pulling in all their names / data.

I'll usually give guys 5-8 college games and then see where the shuffling begins.

Mid-season, I'll have around 100 guys I'm at least watching via updates.

Then closer to the end of the college season, that usually trims to 60-80.

I did less than that this past season, knowing the Cavs didn't have a pick in the 2nd.

But I'll do requests throughout the season, if anyone is curious how my model rates any of the guys at that point in time.
 
What do you think of AJ Griffin. It'd be nice to add someone with an NBA-ready body and his game is very reminiscent of Butler's.

After drafting Okoro, I'm more wait and see on someone like Griffin.

To me, they are just too similar of a player archetype if Griffin is only something like 6'5". Currently, that is the only official measurement I see right now.

His game is interesting but far less so (to me), if he is a 2.
 
I tend to wait on new guys, in terms of pulling in all their names / data.

I'll usually give guys 5-8 college games and then see where the shuffling begins.

Mid-season, I'll have around 100 guys I'm at least watching via updates.

Then closer to the end of the college season, that usually trims to 60-80.

I did less than that this past season, knowing the Cavs didn't have a pick in the 2nd.

But I'll do requests throughout the season, if anyone is curious how my model rates any of the guys at that point in time.

Your way works, so don't take my list as a request. It was more seeing if anyone else was interested in keeping tabs on this insane list I've compiled for the Cavaliers current biggest need.
 
Personally, I’d recommend casting a wider net. Last year at this time, BJ Boston & Jalen Johnson were almost universally regarded as lottery picks. Furthermore, no one thought of Franz Wagner, Davion Mitchell, & Josh Primo as lottery picks.

Realized I didn't respond here.

Franz was a guy that was talked about.....a lot, IMO. If you go back to early season discussions with a lot of the regulars, it honestly was a lot of "What are we missing here on Wagner?" He was churning out some of the best metrics in the class, just clearly looked like a top 10 guy but it took mock draft heads MONTHS to start gaining steam with him.

The SF bust rate is enormous and that is honestly why I try to actually NOT include more guys. Because it is a position, to me, that you just have to be far more critical on. The NBA skillset at the 3 is by far the most coveted and difficult to find. Just finding guys who are the right size and body type (setting skill aside) is very hard in itself. Then layering on the necessary basketball skills just makes it a tiny pool.

Every year, the worst analytically performing group in my model is always NBA small forward prospects. They have the least amount of impact, they typically get the lowest shot and scoring volume and many times are cast out of position. The guys that break through that (guys like Barnes, Wagner, etc.) are just so head and shoulders better than everyone else in the pool that it does honestly become very obvious, very quickly, who the most likely to succeed guys are.

It isn't a guarantee or anything but to me, SF is the position that is just the easiest to immediately throw guys out at......because the skill and size necessary to play that spot is so different than any other. So I tend to not make a large list but do the opposite. Try to only pick 2, maybe 3 guys that I think pass the eye test and then just wait for data to tell me which other guys I should pay attention to. Everyone is different though. Most of the initial mock drafts are simply group think among moderately informed people (no offense to those guys). I don't think they are indicative of actual draft boards or internal perception of prospects franchise to franchise. I think looking at the thread last year......it is kind of a 5 step process.

1. See who is being thrown in the pool
2. Form some qualitative opinions about players via film
3. See how they perform in some models after a few games
4. Combine qualitative and quantitative
5. Rank them in more final tiers

As we tracked guys last year......I think players like Barnes and Wagner were talked about WAY in advance of any mock draft having them both in the top 10. Even a month before the draft, some mock drafts didn't even have either in the high to mid lottery.....and a guy like Kuminga, who was just a player that falls entirely in to the group think model described above, was just ALWAYS a top 4-5 pick. Once a guy gets placed there, it is so hard for any mock draft types to get off of them because they don't want to look dumb. Someone like Boston was like that as well......not to the same degree but I think everyone in the draft thread last year was diving off that ship after about 4-5 college games. :chuckle:

With the small forward position, I'm not even sure I really truly believe in anyone I mention, prior to seeing them play against better competition......they tend to be guys where I say to myself "I don't know if this guy is for sure a 3.........but since I'm not 100% sure that he is most definitely not a 3, I'll put him in a pool of guys to pay attention to". Anyone I love, I'm almost certain has the requisite size, skill and just needs to develop. In my experience, most guys who are labeled 3's by draft sites are either definitely 2's or 4's who aren't big enough to play the 4. Just one person's opinion but that has been my experience tracking that position in particular.
 
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Realized I didn't respond here.

Franz was a guy that was talked about.....a lot, IMO. If you go back to early season discussions with a lot of the regulars, it honestly was a lot of "What are we missing here on Wagner?" He was churning out some of the best metrics in the class, just clearly looked like a top 10 guy but it took mock draft heads MONTHS to start gaining steam with him.

The SF bust rate is enormous and that is honestly why I try to actually NOT include more guys. Because it is a position, to me, that you just have to be far more critical on. The NBA skillset at the 3 is by far the most coveted and difficult to find. Just finding guys who are the right size and body type (setting skill aside) is very hard in itself. Then layering on the necessary basketball skills just makes it a tiny pool.

Every year, the worst analytically performing group in my model is always NBA small forward prospects. They have the least amount of impact, they typically get the lowest shot and scoring volume and many times are cast out of position. The guys that break through that (guys like Barnes, Wagner, etc.) are just so head and shoulders better than everyone else in the pool that it does honestly become very obvious, very quickly, who the most likely to succeed guys are.

It isn't a guarantee or anything but to me, SF is the position that is just the easiest to immediately throw guys out at......because the skill and size necessary to play that spot is so different than any other. So I tend to not make a large list but do the opposite. Try to only pick 2, maybe 3 guys that I think pass the eye test and then just wait for data to tell me which other guys I should pay attention to. Everyone is different though. Most of the initial mock drafts are simply group think among moderately informed people (no offense to those guys). I don't think they are indicative of actual draft boards or internal perception of prospects franchise to franchise. I think looking at the thread last year......it is kind of a 5 step process.

1. See who is being thrown in the pool
2. Form some qualitative opinions about players via film
3. See how they perform in some models after a few games
4. Combine qualitative and quantitative
5. Rank them in more final tiers

As we tracked guys last year......I think players like Barnes and Wagner were talked about WAY in advance of any mock draft having them both in the top 10. Even a month before the draft, some mock drafts didn't even have either in the high to mid lottery.....and a guy like Kuminga, who was just a player that falls entirely in to the group think model described above, was just ALWAYS a top 4-5 pick. Once a guy gets placed there, it is so hard for any mock draft types to get off of them because they don't want to look dumb. Someone like Boston was like that as well......not to the same degree but I think everyone in the draft thread last year was diving off that ship after about 4-5 college games. :chuckle:

With the small forward position, I'm not even sure I really truly believe in anyone I mention, prior to seeing them play against better competition......they tend to be guys where I say to myself "I don't know if this guy is for sure a 3.........but since I'm not 100% sure that he is most definitely not a 3, I'll put him in a pool of guys to pay attention to". Anyone I love, I'm almost certain has the requisite size, skill and just needs to develop. In my experience, most guys who are labeled 3's by draft sites are either definitely 2's or 4's who aren't big enough to play the 4. Just one person's opinion but that has been my experience tracking that position in particular.
Is it wrong that I feel like I should just be paying attention to college players that play the 4 that show flashes of more expanded skillsets? The guys I'm always hyped to see playing the SF never actually amount to shit and I'm sick of being burnt.
 
Realized I didn't respond here.

Franz was a guy that was talked about.....a lot, IMO. If you go back to early season discussions with a lot of the regulars, it honestly was a lot of "What are we missing here on Wagner?" He was churning out some of the best metrics in the class, just clearly looked like a top 10 guy but it took mock draft heads MONTHS to start gaining steam with him.

The SF bust rate is enormous and that is honestly why I try to actually NOT include more guys. Because it is a position, to me, that you just have to be far more critical on. The NBA skillset at the 3 is by far the most coveted and difficult to find. Just finding guys who are the right size and body type (setting skill aside) is very hard in itself. Then layering on the necessary basketball skills just makes it a tiny pool.

Every year, the worst analytically performing group in my model is always NBA small forward prospects. They have the least amount of impact, they typically get the lowest shot and scoring volume and many times are cast out of position. The guys that break through that (guys like Barnes, Wagner, etc.) are just so head and shoulders better than everyone else in the pool that it does honestly become very obvious, very quickly, who the most likely to succeed guys are.

It isn't a guarantee or anything but to me, SF is the position that is just the easiest to immediately throw guys out at......because the skill and size necessary to play that spot is so different than any other. So I tend to not make a large list but do the opposite. Try to only pick 2, maybe 3 guys that I think pass the eye test and then just wait for data to tell me which other guys I should pay attention to. Everyone is different though. Most of the initial mock drafts are simply group think among moderately informed people (no offense to those guys). I don't think they are indicative of actual draft boards or internal perception of prospects franchise to franchise. I think looking at the thread last year......it is kind of a 5 step process.

1. See who is being thrown in the pool
2. Form some qualitative opinions about players via film
3. See how they perform in some models after a few games
4. Combine qualitative and quantitative
5. Rank them in more final tiers

As we tracked guys last year......I think players like Barnes and Wagner were talked about WAY in advance of any mock draft having them both in the top 10. Even a month before the draft, some mock drafts didn't even have either in the high to mid lottery.....and a guy like Kuminga, who was just a player that falls entirely in to the group think model described above, was just ALWAYS a top 4-5 pick. Once a guy gets placed there, it is so hard for any mock draft types to get off of them because they don't want to look dumb. Someone like Boston was like that as well......not to the same degree but I think everyone in the draft thread last year was diving off that ship after about 4-5 college games. :chuckle:

With the small forward position, I'm not even sure I really truly believe in anyone I mention, prior to seeing them play against better competition......they tend to be guys where I say to myself "I don't know if this guy is for sure a 3.........but since I'm not 100% sure that he is most definitely not a 3, I'll put him in a pool of guys to pay attention to". Anyone I love, I'm almost certain has the requisite size, skill and just needs to develop. In my experience, most guys who are labeled 3's by draft sites are either definitely 2's or 4's who aren't big enough to play the 4. Just one person's opinion but that has been my experience tracking that position in particular.
I agree that SF’s can be tough to project. The game has become so perimeter-oriented & guard-dominant that’s it’s tough to evaluate forwards & bigs. They just don’t get the touches like they used to. I think you’re looking for the raw skill set- size, length, ability to shoot, ability to handle the ball, ability to rebound. SF’s really have to be able to do it all nowadays, but not in a ball-dominant way, unless your name is LeBron or Giannis.

My point is just that the guys who are being projected high now aren’t necessarily who will be picked high next June. BJ Boston, Jalen Johnson, Keon Johnson, Ziaire Williams, Daishen Nix, Jaden Springer, Caleb Love, the late Terrence Clarke, Greg Brown, & David Johnson….all are players who went later than originally projected or would have gone later than projected.

The top of the draft has been very young for the last 25 years and NBA execs don’t know as much about this high school class, due to Covid. So, we’ll have to let the season play out and see which cream rises to the top. I suspect mock draft boards will look a good bit different come spring.
 
Is it wrong that I feel like I should just be paying attention to college players that play the 4 that show flashes of more expanded skillsets? The guys I'm always hyped to see playing the SF never actually amount to shit and I'm sick of being burnt.

As someone who loves the 3 position and the guys that occupy it in the NBA, it is honestly tough.

Even last year, as someone who tries to be more reserved......I was really excited about that class. Boston flamed out, Williams flamed out, Cade was somewhere in the middle. Barnes and Wagner at least emerged but neither was an elite level 3 like you'd like to see.

At that position, my amateur opinion would be to gravitate to shooting with some (even tiny) playmaking flash. As those guys have vastly out performed their expected impact IMO. Finding a Giannis would be nice but those guys are once every 20 years. The shooting markers would be why Houstan would be the one guy I would currently hang my hat on. He is an elite shooting prospect who has shown some on ball creativity. Is he an offensive engine? Doubtful.....but if he can be a Klay esque player, he's a slam dunk.

Watson looks like he has the most on ball juice, with an eye towards both scoring and secondary play making. Not a great passer......but looks like he can make the basic block and tackle reads there to hit an open man.

Those are honestly the only two archetypes I would bet on at this point. The best shooter of the group and the most (qualitatively) promising on ball talent. Houstan has questions about his on ball play, Watson has questions about his body and shooting range. Not great that both are flawed but they are both going to (IMO), great developmental programs right now. So hopefully we see a nice progression from each.
 
Unrelated to the Cavs but I have a friend with a team that is continually smarter than everyone else. :chuckle:

I just asked him to give me a few players to watch, that maybe aren't mainstream mock draft names at this point.

He said TyTy Washington & Mathew Cleveland


 
Unrelated to the Cavs but I have a friend with a team that is continually smarter than everyone else. :chuckle:

I just asked him to give me a few players to watch, that maybe aren't mainstream mock draft names at this point.

He said TyTy Washington & Mathew Cleveland



I have Mathew Cleveland on the list I posted above...
 
I have Mathew Cleveland on the list I posted above...

He was described as the "Kuminga" of this class.

Where he has all the tools but it is unclear if it will come together.

Probably also dependent on his size. I see anywhere from 6'4"-6'7".
 
He was described as the "Kuminga" of this class.

Where he has all the tools but it is unclear if it will come together.

Probably also dependent on his size. I see anywhere from 6'4"-6'7".

Since he is going to Florida State. They will make him sixthman and he will go 4th overall. Those are the new rules. Just ask Patrick Williams or Scottie Barnes.
 

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