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2022 Off-season Thread - The Future is Bright

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From Fedor:

It’s been an offseason grind for Okoro, who is entering a make-or-break campaign.

One of the Cavaliers’ development coaches joined Okoro in Atlanta and has been directing those sessions. According to a source who has seen the workouts, the 21-year-old embattled swingman has been “working his ass off this summer” and is showing “great signs of development.”

Shortly after the season ended, the Cavs created a specific summer workout plan for Okoro, with four primary points of emphasis.

- Three-point shooting.

- Attacking closeouts and getting into the paint more frequently.

- Using his body to create different-angled, non-dunk finishes.

- Adding a one-dribble pullup to his halfcourt package.

While the Cavs clearly want Okoro to become that highly valuable 3-and-D wing, they have also encouraged him to use his athleticism more frequently to unearth different aspects of his game in halfcourt situations. They recognize those flaws, which became painfully obvious during the play-in tournament losses to Brooklyn and Atlanta, with defenders often sagging away from him and sending that extra defender toward All-Star point guard Darius Garland instead. Okoro’s inability to make those open shots, combined with hesitation at times to even take them, led to the offense bogging down.

The hope is Okoro will become more of an offensive threat in Year 3. President of basketball operations Koby Altman used the term “unlocking” to describe their vision.

As for starting him at the 2, some numbers support it. At least, in the regular season. His feisty defense is valuable, keeping Garland from taking those tougher on-ball matchups. Okoro also doesn’t dominate possessions on the offensive end, giving Garland freedom to run the show. In more than 1,300 minutes together, the Garland-Okoro combination outscored opponents by 6.2 points per 100 possessions. The Cavs had an offensive rating of 114.8. It’s a starting backcourt Cavs coach J.B. Bickerstaff strongly considered prior to the 2021-22 season, before ultimately sticking with Sexton.

Nonetheless, all signs keep pointing to Caris LeVert as this year’s starting shooting guard.


My hope is that Okoro makes a quantum leap this coming season and establishes himself as an elite perimeter defender who can also knock down the open 3 consistently, finish at the rim, and hit a 15-foot pull-up jumper when the lane is closed off.

But if his efforts are mostly unsuccessful and he's the third string shooting guard (or 4th string if we have LeVert, Sexton, and Agbaji) then trading him and Love (to make the salaries work) for LeBron would be no-brainer.
 
From Fedor:

It’s been an offseason grind for Okoro, who is entering a make-or-break campaign.

One of the Cavaliers’ development coaches joined Okoro in Atlanta and has been directing those sessions. According to a source who has seen the workouts, the 21-year-old embattled swingman has been “working his ass off this summer” and is showing “great signs of development.”

Shortly after the season ended, the Cavs created a specific summer workout plan for Okoro, with four primary points of emphasis.

- Three-point shooting.

- Attacking closeouts and getting into the paint more frequently.

- Using his body to create different-angled, non-dunk finishes.

- Adding a one-dribble pullup to his halfcourt package.

While the Cavs clearly want Okoro to become that highly valuable 3-and-D wing, they have also encouraged him to use his athleticism more frequently to unearth different aspects of his game in halfcourt situations. They recognize those flaws, which became painfully obvious during the play-in tournament losses to Brooklyn and Atlanta, with defenders often sagging away from him and sending that extra defender toward All-Star point guard Darius Garland instead. Okoro’s inability to make those open shots, combined with hesitation at times to even take them, led to the offense bogging down.

The hope is Okoro will become more of an offensive threat in Year 3. President of basketball operations Koby Altman used the term “unlocking” to describe their vision.

As for starting him at the 2, some numbers support it. At least, in the regular season. His feisty defense is valuable, keeping Garland from taking those tougher on-ball matchups. Okoro also doesn’t dominate possessions on the offensive end, giving Garland freedom to run the show. In more than 1,300 minutes together, the Garland-Okoro combination outscored opponents by 6.2 points per 100 possessions. The Cavs had an offensive rating of 114.8. It’s a starting backcourt Cavs coach J.B. Bickerstaff strongly considered prior to the 2021-22 season, before ultimately sticking with Sexton.

Nonetheless, all signs keep pointing to Caris LeVert as this year’s starting shooting guard.


My hope is that Okoro makes a quantum leap this coming season and establishes himself as an elite perimeter defender who can also knock down the open 3 consistently, finish at the rim, and hit a 15-foot pull-up jumper when the lane is closed off.

But if his efforts are mostly unsuccessful and he's the third string shooting guard (or 4th string if we have LeVert, Sexton, and Agbaji) then trading him and Love (to make the salaries work) for LeBron would be no-brainer.
I’m glad they have him working on his game inside the arc. He’s a good enough athlete and big enough that if he can improve his ball-handling, he could make a variety of plays. He made nice cuts off the ball but looked rough trying to make plays with the ball last year. And typically it was get all the way to the rim, or nothing.

I also think with his shot release he has a better chance of becoming a more reliable midrange shooter than a reliable 3pt shooter from the top & wing.
 
But if his efforts are mostly unsuccessful and he's the third string shooting guard (or 4th string if we have LeVert, Sexton, and Agbaji) then trading him and Love (to make the salaries work) for LeBron would be no-brainer.

if your goal is the ecf....getting rid of 30mm/year post-season 10 min/game kevin love is a no-brainer regardless of lebron james

and thats not even taking into consideration his injury-riddled body...
 
If Okoro can develop the ability to score at all three levels it will raise his value significantly. Developing a reliable pull-up 15-foot jumper or a floater in the paint would be huge. Also the ability to go hard to the rim, draw contact, and get the ball up on the glass so the worst case is he gets two foul shots would be very helpful.

I was hoping to see an offensive bump from his first to his second year. Other than an improved ability to hit corner 3's I did not see that. He actually took fewer shots per game.

Since the end of Okoro's rookie season a lot has changed. The Cavs acquired two shooting guards in LeVert and Agbaji, not to mention Sexton returning after missing most of last season. They signed Rubio and found that pairing him with Garland is extremely effective. They also traded for Markkanen and converted him to a small forward.

Okoro has a lot more competition for playing time than he did his rookie year and also last year. No wonder he's been working his ass off. He knows this is a make-or-break season.
 
If the Lakers are in 11th place halfway through next season and LeBron is a free agent at the end of the year, would they rather have LeBron for the last 42 games of the season and finish in 11th place or have Okoro for the next 2.5 years (200 games)?

By trading LeBron they might finish 12th or 13th next year instead of 11th, but that would mean they have a better chance of getting a higher draft pick. Are they really going to say they won't take 200 games of Okoro for 40 games of LeBron and demand LeVert, and Lauri as well?

The Cavs would just offer Okoro and Love for LeBron and say take it or leave it. The Lakers would be fools not to take it. Like I said, they could just re-sign LeBron in the off-season if he wanted to play in L.A. next year.

Okoro will make $7.0 million this year, $8.9 million next year (club option), and $11.8 million the following year, which is the qualifying offer if they can't extend him. If Okoro is the third shooting guard behind either LeVert or Sexton and Agbaji, or if he is the backup small forward behind Markkanen, are the Cavs going to be willing to pay him that kind of money?

My guess is they don't make him the qualifying offer after next season and he becomes a free agent.

The Lakers would not be interested in LeVert because they already have Westbrook and they both play the same position. Also, LeVert will be a free agent after next season while Okoro would be under team control for two more seasons.

The Lakers dont have control of their pick next year...the Pelicans have a pick swap with them from the AD trade.

Also, the play-in was extended, so if the Lakers are in 11th place, thats a lot of time to get to 10th place (and *in* the play-in) for a team as proud as the Lakers and nothing to play for in the draft.

Lebron is also gonna (very likely) pass KAJ for the all-time scoring list this season. The Lakers will absolutely want that to be in their uniform. It wouldn't surprise me if he does it before the trade deadline, but if he doesn't, theyll want to keep him for that alone.
 
if your goal is the ecf....getting rid of 30mm/year post-season 10 min/game kevin love is a no-brainer regardless of lebron james

and thats not even taking into consideration his injury-riddled body...
Love would be in the deal just to make the salaries almost match.
 
The Lakers dont have control of their pick next year...the Pelicans have a pick swap with them from the AD trade.

Also, the play-in was extended, so if the Lakers are in 11th place, thats a lot of time to get to 10th place (and *in* the play-in) for a team as proud as the Lakers and nothing to play for in the draft.

Lebron is also gonna (very likely) pass KAJ for the all-time scoring list this season. The Lakers will absolutely want that to be in their uniform. It wouldn't surprise me if he does it before the trade deadline, but if he doesn't, theyll want to keep him for that alone.
The Pelicans can swap picks with the Lakers next year and the Pelis also own the Lakers first round pick in 2024, although they can defer and take the Lakers' 2025 pick instead if the Lakers have a great 2024 season.

The point is the Lakers can't expect to get a lot of talent out of the draft the next couple of years, which is why they need to find some young talent in a trade if possible. Getting Okoro in exchange for the last half of LeBron's 22-23 season would be good for them in the long run.

Even if they make the play-in next year it means they would be looking at the 7th or 8th seed if they win the play-in. They'd be looking at a first round exit against the #1 or #2 seed with home court advantage.

As for the scoring record, the Lakers' home attendance last year was 97.8% of capacity. It's not like they would sell a lot more tickets with LeBron closing in on the record.

They're an 11th place team with no young talent and probably only one first round pick in the next two years. If the Pelicans do well next year they'll swap picks and the Lakers won't even get a lottery pick. They have no cap space next year. They're not in a good place. Unless Westbrook, AD, and LeBron find a way to stay healthy all year and put it all together with some minimum salary role players and climb back to the top of the West they need to start getting some young talent however they can.
 
The Pelicans can swap picks with the Lakers next year and the Pelis also own the Lakers first round pick in 2024, although they can defer and take the Lakers' 2025 pick instead if the Lakers have a great 2024 season.

The point is the Lakers can't expect to get a lot of talent out of the draft the next couple of years, which is why they need to find some young talent in a trade if possible. Getting Okoro in exchange for the last half of LeBron's 22-23 season would be good for them in the long run.

Even if they make the play-in next year it means they would be looking at the 7th or 8th seed if they win the play-in. They'd be looking at a first round exit against the #1 or #2 seed with home court advantage.

As for the scoring record, the Lakers' home attendance last year was 97.8% of capacity. It's not like they would sell a lot more tickets with LeBron closing in on the record.

They're an 11th place team with no young talent and probably only one first round pick in the next two years. If the Pelicans do well next year they'll swap picks and the Lakers won't even get a lottery pick. They have no cap space next year. They're not in a good place. Unless Westbrook, AD, and LeBron find a way to stay healthy all year and put it all together with some minimum salary role players and climb back to the top of the West they need to start getting some young talent however they can.
I dont see why we need to help them. Thry dug their own grave.. They can have love and cedi and live with that
 
From Fedor:

It’s been an offseason grind for Okoro, who is entering a make-or-break campaign.

One of the Cavaliers’ development coaches joined Okoro in Atlanta and has been directing those sessions. According to a source who has seen the workouts, the 21-year-old embattled swingman has been “working his ass off this summer” and is showing “great signs of development.”

Shortly after the season ended, the Cavs created a specific summer workout plan for Okoro, with four primary points of emphasis.

- Three-point shooting.

- Attacking closeouts and getting into the paint more frequently.

- Using his body to create different-angled, non-dunk finishes.

- Adding a one-dribble pullup to his halfcourt package.

While the Cavs clearly want Okoro to become that highly valuable 3-and-D wing, they have also encouraged him to use his athleticism more frequently to unearth different aspects of his game in halfcourt situations. They recognize those flaws, which became painfully obvious during the play-in tournament losses to Brooklyn and Atlanta, with defenders often sagging away from him and sending that extra defender toward All-Star point guard Darius Garland instead. Okoro’s inability to make those open shots, combined with hesitation at times to even take them, led to the offense bogging down.

The hope is Okoro will become more of an offensive threat in Year 3. President of basketball operations Koby Altman used the term “unlocking” to describe their vision.

As for starting him at the 2, some numbers support it. At least, in the regular season. His feisty defense is valuable, keeping Garland from taking those tougher on-ball matchups. Okoro also doesn’t dominate possessions on the offensive end, giving Garland freedom to run the show. In more than 1,300 minutes together, the Garland-Okoro combination outscored opponents by 6.2 points per 100 possessions. The Cavs had an offensive rating of 114.8. It’s a starting backcourt Cavs coach J.B. Bickerstaff strongly considered prior to the 2021-22 season, before ultimately sticking with Sexton.

Nonetheless, all signs keep pointing to Caris LeVert as this year’s starting shooting guard.


My hope is that Okoro makes a quantum leap this coming season and establishes himself as an elite perimeter defender who can also knock down the open 3 consistently, finish at the rim, and hit a 15-foot pull-up jumper when the lane is closed off.

But if his efforts are mostly unsuccessful and he's the third string shooting guard (or 4th string if we have LeVert, Sexton, and Agbaji) then trading him and Love (to make the salaries work) for LeBron would be no-brainer.
I have said this before….Okoro’s biggest problem is the same as Windler’s….he has no confidence in his shot to even shoot the 3 ball enough. You can’t coach confidence. Averaging 2-3 shots beyond the arc when you’re left open as much as he is will not cut it!
 
I have said this before….Okoro’s biggest problem is the same as Windler’s….he has no confidence in his shot to even shoot the 3 ball enough. You can’t coach confidence. Averaging 2-3 shots beyond the arc when you’re left open as much as he is will not cut it!
Hopefully all the practice will give him confidence to take the shot and knock it down.
 
Not sure what Kevin Love you watched last year.......
i watched the kevin love that played 10 whole minutes in the atlanta hawks play-in game... come the second round of the playoffs .....you cant be in a position saying....were one player away while love is on the bench cheerleading and towel-waving...you can pay the water boy $500/game to do that
 
I have said this before….Okoro’s biggest problem is the same as Windler’s….he has no confidence in his shot to even shoot the 3 ball enough. You can’t coach confidence. Averaging 2-3 shots beyond the arc when you’re left open as much as he is will not cut it!
Is this a joke? Confidence coaches are a real thing.
 
The idea of signing Wiggins to big money I don't like. At all.
exactly. I don't trust Andrew on a young team looking to make the leap right after he secured his retirement.
Okoro has a lot more competition for playing time than he did his rookie year and also last year. No wonder he's been working his ass off. He knows this is a make-or-break season.
(take it with a grain of salt) Cavs org always said Ice worked his tail off, like went out of their way to say it sometimes.
I have said this before….Okoro’s biggest problem is the same as Windler’s….he has no confidence in his shot to even shoot the 3 ball enough. You can’t coach confidence. Averaging 2-3 shots beyond the arc when you’re left open as much as he is will not cut it!
You can coach preparedness, but only success teaches confidence. Okoro started building up to it last year but then caught Covid while dunking on the entire Houston Rockets team and was never able to regain it.

I'm still a huge Okoro fan, just like his motor and effort, and his general feel for the game, but he has to take the shots. Luckily there are guys you can now bring in if/when he over-defers.
 
i watched the kevin love that played 10 whole minutes in the atlanta hawks play-in game... come the second round of the playoffs .....you cant be in a position saying....were one player away while love is on the bench cheerleading and towel-waving...you can pay the water boy $500/game to do that
And Rondo/Love were the reason the Cavs got back into the Nets game before that. Love placed second in 6MOY voting last season, he's on an expiring contract, and is worth more to the Cavs than what he could return in a trade. He's unlikely to be traded.
 
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