2022 Season Series #35 | Guardians @ Tigers | August 9-11, 2022

[LL3]

Why are we talking about magic numbers in the second week of August?

why do you hate fun and frivolity?!?

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

why do you hate fun and frivolity?!?

They pulled my pants down in sixth grade in front of the entire cafeteria.

 

[CDAV45]

Could certainly be the case, but he Is behind on the depth chart at the moment and likely to start the season next year. My not so bold prediction is that he’ll be in a different uniform next season…not so much wishing for that, but believing it is a reasonable possibility.

I have no argument against that LL3. I don't know how they're going to work all of Kwan, Straw, OGon, Jones and Valera in. Having said that, I'll consider it a minor tragedy if Straw is still donning a Cleveland uniform and Brennan is shining for someone else. I really think this kid is better than most of us give him credit for. It wouldn't surprise me if he ends up a better ML player than Valera. I'm not saying that's going to happen, only that it wouldn't surprise me. The only part of his game that isn't better than Valera's is the power and I think that will come. He shows it from time to time and unlike Kwan it isn't only to his pull side. He doesn't sacrifice a quality AB in order to hit the ball over the wall. At 6' 200lbs there's some physicality there too.

 

[LL3]

I do not believe they would trade him without returning good value…somebody is going to go, he just seems likely for it. Who knows though — stuff happens/ calculations change.

 

[CDAV45]

I do not believe they would trade him without returning good value…somebody is going to go, he just seems likely for it. Who knows though — stuff happens/ calculations change.

I guess I'm just surprised at the lack of excitement for Brennan. He's literally posting numbers similar to Kwan. Was drafted with a profile like Kwan. Is faster than Kwan. Plays excellent defense at all 3 OF positions. I guess I think that the folks overwhelmed with joy for Kwan should be pining for Brennan yet I seem to be on an island by myself or with little company. Makes me second guess at times until I see him play or his game results.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

I guess I'm just surprised at the lack of excitement for Brennan. He's literally posting numbers similar to Kwan. Was drafted with a profile like Kwan. Is faster than Kwan. Plays excellent defense at all 3 OF positions. I guess I think that the folks overwhelmed with joy for Kwan should be pining for Brennan yet I seem to be on an island by myself or with little company. Makes me second guess at times until I see him play or his game results.

I think Brennan gets the chance to open camp with the big league club next year the same way Kwan did this year.

It's hard to find places for:

1. Kwan
2. Straw
3. OGon
4. Jones
5. Benson
6. Brennan
7. Valera

 

[LL3]

The “problem” is that Kwan has now had success over a big chunk of big league season, complete with making some adjustments when needed. I think he is easier to be excited about because he is proving it at the highest level… He has planted a flag in the bigs.
Nolan and Oscar have shown well in a fairly limited run…Brennan (and Benson, and Valera, of course) have just shown minor league success. This does not mean that will not all surpass Kwan in the months and years to come, but for now it is speculation.

 

[KluberSociety]

I guess I'm just surprised at the lack of excitement for Brennan. He's literally posting numbers similar to Kwan. Was drafted with a profile like Kwan. Is faster than Kwan. Plays excellent defense at all 3 OF positions. I guess I think that the folks overwhelmed with joy for Kwan should be pining for Brennan yet I seem to be on an island by myself or with little company. Makes me second guess at times until I see him play or his game results.

How excellent actually is his defense? There's a lot of guys who are reasonably fast and seen as maybe good at defense but then they get to the majors and it's below average. I'm not saying I know but just that I hope it's anything close to what you're saying. Having good speed is just one part of the puzzle. Kwan had a lot of positive things written about his CF defense so I'd lean toward guessing that he's a step ahead of Brennan rather than the other way around (again based off very limited info).

Anyway have been trying to figure out why you'd like him so much of all people and not exactly sure. I like his skill set and see him as an option for all 3 OF positions. I'd imagine you see him as someone who can replace Straw primarily?

Whatever positions they'd play I'd take 2 Kwans in the OF even with Straw playing CF. I don't think Brennan has that pure contact skill of Kwan but he seems a bit more promising than windmills Jones and Benson, and also will hit the ball a little harder.

 

[cliffdawg]

I guess when it comes to Brennan , I guess I’m catching him the wrong time , whenever I catch his ab on my minor league stream, He don’t show me nothing that gets me excited while going up against lesser talent, like tonight I watch him get blown away with 2 on 2 outs, …….But then other times I catch the box score and he went 3 for 5 with a couple RBI……With that said I’m definitely putting him on the 40 and giving him as much chance as I will be giving Benson and Jones next spring if none of them is part of some type of trade…….Can’t keep them all

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

How excellent actually is his defense? There's a lot of guys who are reasonably fast and seen as maybe good at defense but then they get to the majors and it's below average. I'm not saying I know but just that I hope it's anything close to what you're saying. Having good speed is just one part of the puzzle. Kwan had a lot of positive things written about his CF defense so I'd lean toward guessing that he's a step ahead of Brennan rather than the other way around (again based off very limited info).

Anyway have been trying to figure out why you'd like him so much of all people and not exactly sure. I like his skill set and see him as an option for all 3 OF positions. I'd imagine you see him as someone who can replace Straw primarily?

Whatever positions they'd play I'd take 2 Kwans in the OF even with Straw playing CF. I don't think Brennan has that pure contact skill of Kwan but he seems a bit more promising than windmills Jones and Benson, and also will hit the ball a little harder.

I don't think Brennan is in the same conversation as Straw and Benson when it comes to defensively manning CF.

 

[CDAV45]

How excellent actually is his defense? There's a lot of guys who are reasonably fast and seen as maybe good at defense but then they get to the majors and it's below average. I'm not saying I know but just that I hope it's anything close to what you're saying. Having good speed is just one part of the puzzle. Kwan had a lot of positive things written about his CF defense so I'd lean toward guessing that he's a step ahead of Brennan rather than the other way around (again based off very limited info).

Anyway have been trying to figure out why you'd like him so much of all people and not exactly sure. I like his skill set and see him as an option for all 3 OF positions. I'd imagine you see him as someone who can replace Straw primarily?

Whatever positions they'd play I'd take 2 Kwans in the OF even with Straw playing CF. I don't think Brennan has that pure contact skill of Kwan but he seems a bit more promising than windmills Jones and Benson, and also will hit the ball a little harder.

In CF it's not even close IMO. I mean you have the right to speculate and question. I find it reasonable actually, but having seen both play it's not even close. You, Bimbo or God himself couldn't convince me that Kwan is a better defensive OFer than Brennan. Maybe time will prove me wrong.

Yes, I want him to replace Straw yesterday. Kwan has solidified LF, but he doesn't profile well there. That's fine, but I think you need to make that up at a position with a less demanding profile(like CF). Like I said earlier, we don't have a powerful lineup and if we're going to have a chance to win anything then we'll need to shore up a couple of spots IMO. Namely CF and C. It would be nice to have a big RH bat for 1B too.

 

[CDAV45]

I guess when it comes to Brennan , I guess I’m catching him the wrong time , whenever I catch his ab on my minor league stream, He don’t show me nothing that gets me excited while going up against lesser talent, like tonight I watch him get blown away with 2 on 2 outs, …….But then other times I catch the box score and he went 3 for 5 with a couple RBI……With that said I’m definitely putting him on the 40 and giving him as much chance as I will be giving Benson and Jones next spring if none of them is part of some type of trade…….Can’t keep them all

What feed are you watching. You can literally count the times he hasn't had a hit on one hand. Have you seen his walk and SO rates? He has 18 SB so far this season. You haven't seen any of those? How about some of his incredible OF plays?

 

[CDAV45]

The “problem” is that Kwan has now had success over a big chunk of big league season, complete with making some adjustments when needed. I think he is easier to be excited about because he is proving it at the highest level… He has planted a flag in the bigs.
Nolan and Oscar have shown well in a fairly limited run…Brennan (and Benson, and Valera, of course) have just shown minor league success. This does not mean that will not all surpass Kwan in the months and years to come, but for now it is speculation.

I'm not expecting him to "surpass Kwan". Kwan isn't the one in question here. I only bring Kwan up because Brennan is comparable.

 

[sportscoach]

@CDAV45

I will be honest, I think your a bit too bullish on Brennan's defense. If you compare the stats between Kwan and Brennan in the minors, it says Kwan is a way superior defender. Kwan actually should win a gold glove out there in LF and Straw is without a doubt the best CF defensively in the game right now. Brennan is not any better than either guy on the defensive end. That's not an opinion, it's literally a fact. I'm not saying Brennan isn't a good fielder, it's just the fact, he isnt better than Kwan in LF or Straw in CF defensively. Don't say he is, cause with film and stats, it can be proven he isn't. Now its not the fact he isn't an above average fielder, it's just those two aren't just above average, they are elite in their positions. Brennan isn't elite...

Also Brennan hasn't shown the ability to get people out with his arm. His number of OF assists is super low, so it almost rules out being a RF.

Now that being stated, Brennan has more upside with his bat than either Kwan on Straw on paper so total WAR for Brennan is definitely going to be potentially higher. He's going to produce positive dWAR with potentially higher oWAR than Kwan and Straw on paper. So his overall WAR on paper is potentially greater cause of that.

 

[sportscoach]

How excellent actually is his defense? There's a lot of guys who are reasonably fast and seen as maybe good at defense but then they get to the majors and it's below average. I'm not saying I know but just that I hope it's anything close to what you're saying. Having good speed is just one part of the puzzle. Kwan had a lot of positive things written about his CF defense so I'd lean toward guessing that he's a step ahead of Brennan rather than the other way around (again based off very limited info).

Anyway have been trying to figure out why you'd like him so much of all people and not exactly sure. I like his skill set and see him as an option for all 3 OF positions. I'd imagine you see him as someone who can replace Straw primarily?

Whatever positions they'd play I'd take 2 Kwans in the OF even with Straw playing CF. I don't think Brennan has that pure contact skill of Kwan but he seems a bit more promising than windmills Jones and Benson, and also will hit the ball a little harder.

Kwan is an oddball... He is suppose to have an average arm, he has average speed (at best for an OF) yet if you look at his numbers, he plays well above that. His instincts for the defensive game, are elite and cannot be taught also his contact skills and baseball IQ are elite and is something you cannot teach. He doesn't make sense on paper, yet here he is...

Brennan on the other hand, is exactly what you would think an OF looks like and on paper, I have no clue how in the hell national scouts had him ranked so low. He isnt flashy, but outside of power, he doesn't really have any holes in his game. I don't agree with CDav thinking Brennan has any elite tools outside of maybe speed, but outside of power, everything is above average. I could easily put Brennan with a .270+/.360+/.410+ type of slash line with 10-15 HRs, 20+ SBs playing above average LF (I think that's his best position on paper). Sounds like young Brantley to me...