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2023-2024 Cleveland Guardians Offseason Thread

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Lopez essentially got 30 guaranteed over 3 years and could get 4 more in a 4th season. So a bit out of the price range of Cleveland...
If Lopez is stretched out by the Braves and becomes a serviceable #3-4 SP, he left a lot on the table with the third year guaranteed for $11m and 4th year option at $8m. He received a guarantee of $30m, so it was a good hedge and triples his prior $9-10m in salary he has earned so far in his career.
 
That's the thing, the FO feels they can win the division... They aren't going to trade Bieber unless they meet that demand or are out of the playoffs at the trade deadline...
You're probably correct on that front. An overpay or no deal unless they fall out of contention by the deadline.

My biggest hope for the winter is a Josh Naylor extension.
 
Shane has to have a good first half and he will have value at mid season
Same with Barlow If he has a solid first half he will have value as well
Then it depends on how the Indians do in the first half. If GMen are in contention then they both stay
With Shane's injury history over the past three season there's a very real chance Cleveland could fall out on contention by the deadline and get nothing for him because he's hurt.
 
I really think the return for Bieber, that the FO wants, is a MLB bat with pop, that can play RF and a midtier+ SP prospect... If that MLB bat doesn't have team control then another prospect has to be added... I just don't see any team willing to give up that much for him...
You're not getting an established, quality MLB bat with pop and years of control and a SP prospect for Bieber. Would you give that up for him? I know I sure as hell wouldn't.

You'll be lucky to get a good, ready minor league bat for Bieber only. Cleveland will be the ones that have to add a prospect or 2. Not dealing Bieber prior to the start of last season was fucking stupid.
 
You're not getting an established, quality MLB bat with pop and years of control and a SP prospect for Bieber. Would you give that up for him? I know I sure as hell wouldn't.

You'll be lucky to get a good, ready minor league bat for Bieber only. Cleveland will be the ones that have to add a prospect or 2. Not dealing Bieber prior to the start of last season was fucking stupid.
In hindsight it was but coming off that magical 2022 season its hard blaming the FO for running it back especially after landing Josh Bell.
 
In hindsight it was but coming off that magical 2022 season its hard blaming the FO for running it back especially after landing Josh Bell.
It isn't hindsight for me and I'm not having any difficulty blaming them. That's just me though. I don't think they should ever keep a guy like Bieber with the idea he's essential for a playoff run. The return they could have had would likely be essential at this time and controlled for years. Clearly when he was healthy he had priced himself out of Cleveland's range and deferred all offers. If it were me, as soon as they don't accept a reasonable offer and determine they want to test the free market then I'd deal them. I don't give a shit who it is. An organization with Cleveland's budget can't afford to lose that value and take on the risk of injury. This isn't the first time it bit them in the ass.
 
You're probably correct on that front. An overpay or no deal unless they fall out of contention by the deadline.

My biggest hope for the winter is a Josh Naylor extension.
I'd love to see Josh extended if he looks like he's put in the work this offseason.
 
Speaking of Bieber, I did find it fairly interesting that he was guy that Vogt specifically mentioned having met with (saying they actually had a meal together in Arizona) during his initial presser.

While I'm sure Vogt was in good faith reaching out to many players and staff members, that doesn't seem like the type of meeting you have with a player if you don't expect him to be on the roster in the spring.

Who knows. I've been a fan long enough to know things change in an instant but I thought that was a fairly telling admission from our new manager.
 
Timing is almost as important as talent when trying to assemble a WS contender with a very limited budget. I remember believing that there looked to be a good amount of talent percolating through the system simultaneously because there certainly was. I wanted to add players/prospects to that stockpile that fit and overlapped before having to worry about FA. We just aren't there yet and suggesting that 2025 was when the contention window opened looks to be pretty accurate unless they make some big moves. I don't see that happening this offseason and it's not all their fault.
 
..agree with this.. the fifth starter, who, as of this writing, is who we know it will be.. cannot tilt the wage scale all that much, as it's already "sunk" money.. anyway. As it stands now.. Shane Bieber is our fifth starter. He'll be on a one year deal... So, spending on a stalwart laden bullpen of arms.. would appear to be the way to go..

I've also looked at the available reinforcements in the area of OF'er that hit with some power as RHH's.. There are many trades. That is, there are an unlimited number of choices. Too many to list/consider.. but, it's nice to suggest one..

The FA market has at least two guys I'd be interested in bringing in.. Lewis and Senzel.. They'd be the RHH OF'er this team has virtually none of.. On one year deals with club options for seconds.. the dollar$ would be low & the rewards could be lower.. or amazing.. It would cost not much.. a marginal guy on a 40 man roster spot.. big f'in whoop.. Both of these guys have very high ceilings.. and incredibly low floors.. This is time when a risk needs to be considered.. One year from now.. and two farm hands one a RHH'ing the other a LHH slugger are going to be claiming spots in this lineup long term.. So, it's now or not ever..

Thoughts?
also interested in senzel - very effective v lefties - great versatility -- downside is health and he would kinda have the same slot laureano

he was expected to pull down 3 mil in arbitration - dont think i would want to spend that much on him
 
You're not getting an established, quality MLB bat with pop and years of control and a SP prospect for Bieber. Would you give that up for him? I know I sure as hell wouldn't.

You'll be lucky to get a good, ready minor league bat for Bieber only. Cleveland will be the ones that have to add a prospect or 2. Not dealing Bieber prior to the start of last season was fucking stupid.


Bieber isn't being dealt for pennies on the dollar... We aren't taking the best offer, it's either we get the offer we want or we keep him...

I know you don't like it, but even Mandy Bell said it's extremely unlikely Bieber gets traded because Cleveland never lowers their price on players.
 
You're probably correct on that front. An overpay or no deal unless they fall out of contention by the deadline.

My biggest hope for the winter is a Josh Naylor extension.

We will see, but I'd be very surprised if we didn't have Bieber in camp...

And I feel like this FO has to put out a legit extension offer for Naylor regardless of what Bally is doing with the Guardians. You gotta keep a name like him around...
 
Makes Barlow at his one year price point pretty reasonable.
I rather have Barlow than cal and that’s what this was all about
With Shane's injury history over the past three season there's a very real chance Cleveland could fall out on contention by the deadline and get nothing for him because he's hurt.
In this division I doubt we will fall out of contention
Could not imagine the uproar if we got rid of him after the 2022 season.
It is what it is, we get nothing for him, we get nothing for him
 

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