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2023-2024 Cleveland Guardians Offseason Thread

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I'm not so sure about that Rule 5 pick, They probably will bring Manzardo north after ST so they have a chance for the extra draft pick. If they also take a Rule 5 pick that means 2 players on the roster would have zero MLB experience.

Remember, that this pick can be a place holder as many Rule 5 are returned. If they perform great in ST (another OF), then you can let Manzardo marinate. Yet, more likely, this pick, if done, is a RP, that is in the Curry role of last year and then it's who cares. I can see a power arm especially if they want to trade a Clase. And, having 2+ players with no experience is almost the norm (or just a few games in prior year) as we don't keep many players past 6 years (so need 4 rookies at some point each year).

2022 - Kwan, Lavastida (injury replace), Pilk
2023 - Curry, Gaddis, Arias (47 ABs), Herrin and Brennan (42 AB at end of last year)

As for this spot is a pending FA signing ... remember that Cleveland is typically quiet on this front until January/February as they look for a deal on a FA that fell through the cracks. And, a few teams claimed guys yesterday that were not publically DFAd .... teams are starting to clean up their 40 man for Wednesday. I am kind of surprised that there are several/many teams that will pick a player before us (was thinking that it maybe like last year where even Reds and Colorado traded their picks). Yet, seen a few RP/OFs that could be intriguing.

Oakland - 39
KC - 40
Colo - 40
WSox - 39
Wash - 38
StL - 39
LAA - 39
NYM - 33
Pitt - 38
Cle - 39
 
O. Gonzalez getting waived over Rivas is concerning.

I just don't trust this FO with any decisions regarding hitters, sorry.

And the fact that they still can't decide who to commit to or use in consolidation trade tells me they don't don't trust themselves either.

Pray they luck into a good decision, but I believe they're fucking up SS monumentally, after looking pretty bad on their OF calls, especially after this DFA
Pardon my language, but who the f cares about Oscar or Rivas? They’re both AAAA players. Acting like Oscar is some big loss is hilarious.
 
Only four hours left to get discounted autographed baseballs signed by Thor and Civale, lol.

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The Thor baseball is like expensive coal in your stocking.
Like entering an 'every entry is a winner' contest and you get a Civale autograph or Franmil bobblehead. Whatever box the crew found in the storage room while Progressive was being renovated in the off season.
 
Pardon my language, but who the f cares about Oscar or Rivas? They’re both AAAA players. Acting like Oscar is some big loss is hilarious.

My point was the FO decision making process.

Oscar was valued much much more just 12 months ago, both by our FO and league wide (was asked in trades). They shipped Benson and Jones instead and now Oscar gets DFA'd over some Pirates AAAA cut.

That whole process is concerning to me and doesn't instill trust in playing time/depth chart decisions going forward.
 
My point was the FO decision making process.

Oscar was valued much much more just 12 months ago, both by our FO and league wide (was asked in trades). They shipped Benson and Jones instead and now Oscar gets DFA'd over some Pirates AAAA cut.

That whole process is concerning to me and doesn't instill trust in playing time/depth chart decisions going forward.
Hard to argue against your logic Tondo. It's not like OGon fit a different description as far as the type of hitter all 3 are. The only thing that is obvious in the decision to keep OGon and ship Jones and Benson is which side of the plate they hit from. Now, we've let OGon go for the LHH Rivas and while I'm not disappointed I don't fully understand the logic either. The only thing that comes to my mind is that Rivas is an insurance policy for Manzardo.

Anyway, that's the thing with those types of hitters. They are more prone to failure, but when you get one that doesn't flop you really have something. Compare Jones to Kwan. Most people here, and I would include you in that group, would take Kwan everytime simply because he has a superior contact skill. A superior contact skill is fine if you can impact a baseball like a grown man. If you can't I'm looking toward the guy that can be more productive even with less contact. I guess that's why SO numbers don't concern me as much as it does others. That's the reason I think a good, long look should be given to Rodriguez. Good chance that he doesn't stick, but if he does then we have the type of corner OFer that we've been looking for.
 
Here's some of my random thoughts on Steven Kwan:
In 2022 he was dynamite. Unexpected dynamite because nobody was counting on him. But he quickly became the leadoff hitter, made adjustments to his game early in the season, and IMO was the igniter to the G's offense that season.
In 2023, he was still a good player, but not the dynamic guy he was in 2022. His BA went down, his OBP went down. Even his BABIP went down despite no shift.
However, he did play in 158 games last season. In fairness, Tito didn't have a chance to rest him because the G's were always behind. Perhaps Vogt can mix in more days off in 24.

But here's the thing. I still think Kwan is an excellent player. It's just hard to make him the focal point of your OF. He would be good as gold on a WS contender's roster. It's relatively easy to find a slugging, rumbling LF. But Kwan is plugged in there.
Maybe Rodriguez or Valera can provide some of the answers in the OF. But I think Kwan is here to stay, batting leadoff, and playing LF for the next few years.
 
Here's some of my random thoughts on Steven Kwan:
In 2022 he was dynamite. Unexpected dynamite because nobody was counting on him. But he quickly became the leadoff hitter, made adjustments to his game early in the season, and IMO was the igniter to the G's offense that season.
In 2023, he was still a good player, but not the dynamic guy he was in 2022. His BA went down, his OBP went down. Even his BABIP went down despite no shift.
However, he did play in 158 games last season. In fairness, Tito didn't have a chance to rest him because the G's were always behind. Perhaps Vogt can mix in more days off in 24.

But here's the thing. I still think Kwan is an excellent player. It's just hard to make him the focal point of your OF. He would be good as gold on a WS contender's roster. It's relatively easy to find a slugging, rumbling LF. But Kwan is plugged in there.
Maybe Rodriguez or Valera can provide some of the answers in the OF. But I think Kwan is here to stay, batting leadoff, and playing LF for the next few years.
Gold Value is what is needed to finish off the Guardians lineup and rotation.. no?
 
Gold Value is what is needed to finish off the Guardians lineup and rotation.. no?
Well, they certainly can use some gold in their lineup. But that might not happen until Manzardo, DeLauter and Brito develop more.
They don't need gold in the rotation, but possibly a veteran innings eater. Maybe Wade Miley?
 
Here's some of my random thoughts on Steven Kwan:
In 2022 he was dynamite. Unexpected dynamite because nobody was counting on him. But he quickly became the leadoff hitter, made adjustments to his game early in the season, and IMO was the igniter to the G's offense that season.
In 2023, he was still a good player, but not the dynamic guy he was in 2022. His BA went down, his OBP went down. Even his BABIP went down despite no shift.
However, he did play in 158 games last season. In fairness, Tito didn't have a chance to rest him because the G's were always behind. Perhaps Vogt can mix in more days off in 24.

But here's the thing. I still think Kwan is an excellent player. It's just hard to make him the focal point of your OF. He would be good as gold on a WS contender's roster. It's relatively easy to find a slugging, rumbling LF. But Kwan is plugged in there.
Maybe Rodriguez or Valera can provide some of the answers in the OF. But I think Kwan is here to stay, batting leadoff, and playing LF for the next few years.
This is how I would attempt to address this roster. First, I do this:


Guardians​

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NAMEAGELEVELP1P2AVAILABILITYYEARSAFVSALARYSURPLUSLOWMEDIANHIGH
Spencer Steer26Majors3BLow654.424.829.723.729.735.6
Connor Phillips22MajorsSP675.655.320.316.320.324.4
River Ryan25MinorsSP0009.989.911.9
Emmet Sheehan23MajorsSP658.629.429.223.429.235.1
Total Value:
89.10

Dodgers​

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NAMEAGELEVELP1P2AVAILABILITYYEARSAFVSALARYSURPLUSLOWMEDIANHIGH
Shane Bieber29MajorsSPMedium117.812.25.64.55.66.8
Jonathan India27Majors2B3BMedium331.118.512.610.112.615.1
Myles Straw29MajorsCFLow39.220.5-11.2-13.5-11.2-9
Steven Kwan26MajorsOFLow486.743.243.534.843.552.3
Total Value:
50.5

Reds​

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NAMEAGELEVELP1P2AVAILABILITYYEARSAFVSALARYSURPLUSLOWMEDIANHIGH
Emmanuel Clase26MajorsRPLow585.634.251.441.151.461.6
Nick Frasso24MinorsSP00010.68.510.612.7
Total Value:
62

Then I do this:
NAMEAGELEVELP1P2AVAILABILITYYEARSAFVSALARYSURPLUSLOWMEDIANHIGH
Taylor Ward30MajorsOFMedium344.621.423.218.623.227.9
Total Value:
23.2

Angels​

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NAMEAGELEVELP1P2AVAILABILITYYEARSAFVSALARYSURPLUSLOWMEDIANHIGH
Brayan Rocchio22MajorsSS636.512.623.919.123.928.7
Xzavion Curry25MajorsRP64.73.90.80.60.81
Total Value:
24.7

The rotation becomes incredibly deeper and more talented. Having Bibee, Williams, Sheehan, Phillips, Allen, Ryan and Cantillo opens up the possibility of moving McKenzie if they want. At the very least there is adequate depth to cover him if/when he is injured.

We add Steer to LF and Ward to RF. Can you imagine a better scenario? Brennan and Laureano hold down CF until DeLauter is ready. I'm not sure how to work Rodriguez or Valera in, but that's a better problem to have than the current one IMO.

For S&G's let's say these 2 deals happened before the 24 season starts. Are we not legit contenders and certain favorites for the division pennant for years?
 

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