2023 Browns Off-Season Thread II: Free Agent Marathon: Settling in for the Long Haul: Slow and Steady: Patience is a Virtue: Loose Lips Sink Ships!

[AZ_]

Ward for Jeudy straight up?

 

[Ohio]

 

[Randolphkeys]

A visit from Brandon Goodwin hints that the Browns may have a different plan in place. Goodwin made a career out of creating space as an outside receiver who blows the top off the defense with vertical routes and quick out patterns so that the running game, #1 and #2 options have more space.

With the Browns current weapons and cap situation, that isn't a bad option. It also doesn't preclude drafting a slot weapon, which is a strength of this draft.

All the options are open, but the one factor the Browns cannot control is the Broncos and their unreasonably high trade demands.

I guess I'm advising open hunting season instead of the Jeudy Safari.

 

[CBBI]

Ward for Jeudy straight up?

$40M in dead cap if they trade Ward makes that a non-starter, right?

Taking the financials out of the equation, it isn't that crazy.

 

[Surge]

I don't see the allure to Jerry Jeudy at the asking price I've seen floated around. I'd certainly take him, but I'm not giving up 42, or one of our top corners for a guy that had 6 more catches than DPJ last year.

Given Berry's history with trades, I wouldn't expect him to either.

 

[Omar The Horse]

 

[Soar]

Ward objectively might be one concussion away from very dangerous territory.

He has had 3 reported ones and the one last year kept him out for weeks.

So trading Newsome seems very risky to me.

 

[chrisrich91]

You guys are severely underrating Jerry Jeudy.

I think Jeudy would be tremendous here. But a trade package value of Newsome and 42 would have sat better with me for 2021 Jeudy than 2023 Jeudy.

We're paying full value for a guy who has failed to live up to his pre-draft projections and is about to command a large extension.

I agree with you that Jeudy failing to meet expectations is probably in large part due to his circumstances. But at the end of the day, that's all we have to judge him on. And with the rookie contract running out...

I think we're doing the prudent thing by standing firm on whatever our offer currently is. The Broncos should have to pay for depreciating the asset, tbh.

 

[CBBI]

I think Jeudy would be tremendous here. But a trade package value of Newsome and 42 would have sat better with me for 2021 Jeudy than 2023 Jeudy.

We're paying full value for a guy who has failed to live up to his pre-draft projections and is about to command a large extension.

I agree with you that Jeudy failing to meet expectations is probably in large part due to his circumstances. But at the end of the day, that's all we have to judge him on. And with the rookie contract running out...

I think we're doing the prudent thing by standing firm on whatever our offer currently is. The Broncos should have to pay for depreciating the asset, tbh.

I'd argue that Jeudy's 2022 season is being pretty significantly underrated by fans around here.

By several metrics, he was a top 15 WR in the league this past year.

Yes, he was very poor as a rookie and yes he was banged up in his 2nd year, but Jeudy played very well this past year with very bad QB play.

I think he's a WR1 moving forward. Especially with a better QB.

 

[Triplethreat]

I think Jeudy would be tremendous here. But a trade package value of Newsome and 42 would have sat better with me for 2021 Jeudy than 2023 Jeudy.

We're paying full value for a guy who has failed to live up to his pre-draft projections and is about to command a large extension.

I agree with you that Jeudy failing to meet expectations is probably in large part due to his circumstances. But at the end of the day, that's all we have to judge him on. And with the rookie contract running out...

I think we're doing the prudent thing by standing firm on whatever our offer currently is. The Broncos should have to pay for depreciating the asset, tbh.

I agree with the fact that giving up Newsome is a no go, but the way some are talking about Jeudy is blowing my mind.

This dude is a tactician as a route runner and a legit deep threat as well. Him and Amari is a 1-2 punch that not many others around the league could match. That's giving Deshaun his full slate of weapons to have an incredible season and quite honestly, with Jeudy being 26 next few years.

Jeudy can be that dude for us.

I think Diggs is an amazing comp for what Jeudy could be here.

 

[jmuxl]

I agree with the fact that giving up Newsome is a no go, but the way some are talking about Jeudy is blowing my mind.

This dude is a tactician as a route runner and a legit deep threat as well. Him and Amari is a 1-2 punch that not many others around the league could match. That's giving Deshaun his full slate of weapons to have an incredible season and quite honestly, with Jeudy being 26 next few years.

Jeudy can be that dude for us.

I think Diggs is an amazing comp for what Jeudy could be here.

I agree, just watching how Hill's move to Miami unlocked Waddle. I could see a similar trajectory for the both of them.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

I'd argue that Jeudy's 2022 season is being pretty significantly underrated by fans around here.

By several metrics, he was a top 15 WR in the league this past year.

Yes, he was very poor as a rookie and yes he was banged up in his 2nd year, but Jeudy played very well this past year with very bad QB play.

I think he's a WR1 moving forward. Especially with a better QB.

I think I'm one of the bigger Jeudy detractors around here (after being over the moon for him in the draft).

I don't think his route running has ever been questioned. He was one of the best prospects of all time at being a technical route runner, and that still shows up in any metric of "can he get open against man coverage."

People who follow Denver more closely than I have said that it's mental with him. They say he gives up on routes. They say he just makes dumb decisions on the football field. They say he drops balls. They say Tim Patrick, while obviously a less talented player, is a more reliable receiver and is someone they like more than Jeudy at this point.

If we trade for Jeudy, I'll be excited. I'll hope that being here, with a better coach and a better QB takes care of some mental things. I'll hope that we get what prospect Jerry Jeudy could have been instead of what NFL player Jerry Jeudy has been.

But, just in general, if I'm spending premium assets like the #42 pick, I want to get good football players. I want people who eat, breathe and sleep football and are going to help drive the locker room forward. I don't want to roll the dice on players who might be apathetic or who, while talented, will do things that cost my team games.

 

[CBBI]

They say he drops balls.

I feel like this is bit of residual disgust from his awful rookie year where he had 52 catches and was credited with 12 drops.

PFF only charted him with 6 drops in 2022. Same as Amari Cooper.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

I feel like this is bit of residual disgust from his awful rookie year where he had 52 catches and was credited with 12 drops.

PFF only charted him with 6 drops in 2022. Same as Amari Cooper.

It very well could be due to his rookie campaign. After all, look at the way Browns fans still talk about Njoku being unreliable and having bad hands.

However, what was PFF's highest number of drops in 2022? I feel like with the way they chart things and what they consider a drop, six might still be high.

 

[CBBI]

It very well could be due to his rookie campaign. After all, look at the way Browns fans still talk about Njoku being unreliable and having bad hands.

However, what was PFF's highest number of drops in 2022? I feel like with the way they chart things and what they consider a drop, six might still be high.

PFF says Waddle, Kirk and Diggs led the league with 9 drops apiece.

Then three guys with 8. Then four guys with 7.

Then a big group of 16 players - Jeudy and Cooper included - with 6.

So Jeudy was in a 16-way tie for the 11th most drops