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2023 Cleveland Guardians Season Thread

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So realistically what's the market for a SP like Bieber?

I know the rotation now being full of young guys complicates things, but are they better off keeping him and hoping he returns to form? And then they either hold onto him if they're competitive or trade him at the deadline if not?
  • 1 year left in ~$15m salary range
  • Effectively has not pitched post-ASB in 2 of the last 3 seasons
  • Dipping velocity, bottom 25% K rate, getting teed off on, etc.

Who is meeting the Guardians demands this offseason with all this in mind?
 
So realistically what's the market for a SP like Bieber?

I know the rotation now being full of young guys complicates things, but are they better off keeping him and hoping he returns to form? And then they either hold onto him if they're competitive or trade him at the deadline if not?
  • 1 year left in ~$15m salary range
  • Effectively has not pitched post-ASB in 2 of the last 3 seasons
  • Dipping velocity, bottom 25% K rate, getting teed off on, etc.

Who is meeting the Guardians demands this offseason with all this in mind?
Could Giolito's run through free agency be useful in setting a price for Bieber?
 
Any chance he moves Straw from being the 4th OF and we can trade him? Any chance another team takes him off our hands and pay his salary?
Trade Straw, a MI prospect like Angel Martinez and 3.76m (Straw's 2024 salary over the minimum) for Myles Naylor and Denzel Clarke. Straw can man CF the last year of the Coliseum where Ruiz hasn't done anything. Martinez can replace Allen/Diaz at SS or Kemp at 2B. Bring all three Naylor brothers and their cousin Clarke under the same organization.
 
Trade Straw, a MI prospect like Angel Martinez and 3.76m (Straw's 2024 salary over the minimum) for Myles Naylor and Denzel Clarke. Straw can man CF the last year of the Coliseum where Ruiz hasn't done anything. Martinez can replace Allen/Diaz at SS or Kemp at 2B. Bring all three Naylor brothers and their cousin Clarke under the same organization.
Im not seeing the As moving cheap prospects for salary in Straw. Oakland is going to go lowest possible until they are completely out of Oakland. Also, Oakland 'overdrafted' the youngest Naylor, they seem to really like him. Crazy how the Naylor's might become what everyone thought the Drew boys were going to be.
 
Myles so far has about a 40% K rate but it is rough going almost directly to single A out of high school so I wouldn't read much into it. Will be interesting to see how he does next year.
 
Im not seeing the As moving cheap prospects for salary in Straw. Oakland is going to go lowest possible until they are completely out of Oakland. Also, Oakland 'overdrafted' the youngest Naylor, they seem to really like him. Crazy how the Naylor's might become what everyone thought the Drew boys were going to be.
I know that trade would 99% never happen. I liked the Naylor brothers aspect of it.

Looking around at negative defensive WAR CFers. Ruiz is the worst. Hicks/Kiner-Falefa weren't spectacular in NY.

Throw Straw's defense between the Martian after he recovers from his UCL tear (move to LF) and Judge in the Yankees OF if the Cubs don't resign and the Mets outbid the Yankees for Cody Bellinger..
 
I know that trade would 99% never happen. I liked the Naylor brothers aspect of it.

Looking around at negative defensive WAR CFers. Ruiz is the worst. Hicks/Kiner-Falefa weren't spectacular in NY.

Throw Straw's defense between the Martian after he recovers from his UCL tear (move to LF) and Judge in the Yankees OF if the Cubs don't resign and the Mets outbid the Yankees for Cody Bellinger..

A's won't trade for Straw... Though a Valera could make more sense...
 
So realistically what's the market for a SP like Bieber?

I know the rotation now being full of young guys complicates things, but are they better off keeping him and hoping he returns to form? And then they either hold onto him if they're competitive or trade him at the deadline if not?
  • 1 year left in ~$15m salary range
  • Effectively has not pitched post-ASB in 2 of the last 3 seasons
  • Dipping velocity, bottom 25% K rate, getting teed off on, etc.

Who is meeting the Guardians demands this offseason with all this in mind?

For a (shitty reference), Scherzer (who is 10 years older than Bieber) netted Louis Acuna who is #38 MLB pipeline prospect.

Scherzer opted into his last year of his 3/130M deal.

Giants, AZ and Phillies are teams I'm keeping an eye on
 
Myles so far has about a 40% K rate but it is rough going almost directly to single A out of high school so I wouldn't read much into it. Will be interesting to see how he does next year.
Just curious, but does anyone have stats on how important the first half season out of high school is in the minors for determining future success?

Is it common for guys like Myles to struggle and then later play well, or is that an early bust sign?
 
For a (shitty reference), Scherzer (who is 10 years older than Bieber) netted Louis Acuna who is #38 MLB pipeline prospect.

Scherzer opted into his last year of his 3/130M deal.

Giants, AZ and Phillies are teams I'm keeping an eye on
For a variety of reasons I think a Bieber return will be more modeler after the Kluber and Civale trades then the Clevinger, Bauer, and Lindor trades.

The best/highest rated single almost ready for MLB prospect they can get rather than a larger prospect package.

Also possible would be try and find the offensive OF equivalent of Bieber on a team that feels desperate to balance their pitching depleted roster or who doesn’t believe the can/will/want to re-sign that OF this offseason
 
I really don't even think OF is our biggest need currently.

Get a decent backup catcher, a good bullpen arm and a little starting depth (assuming Bieber is going) and I'll be happy.
I think the wild card of T-Mac’s return (success or not) will have an enormous impact on the Guardians off-season.
 
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I really don't even think OF is our biggest need currently.

Get a decent backup catcher, a good bullpen arm and a little starting depth (assuming Bieber is going) and I'll be happy.
You are wise...

...IDK about the Bieber comment.. one or more than one start at the ML level this year (starting tonight) may "hint" at where the Biebs fits into the CleFO plans going forward.. we'll see.. the rest of the comment (C, RP, SP) is spot on, imho..
 
Just curious, but does anyone have stats on how important the first half season out of high school is in the minors for determining future success?

Is it common for guys like Myles to struggle and then later play well, or is that an early bust sign?
It would be a weird sample regardless because I don't think most teams do it like that, usually even the better HS prospects spend the full year in rookie ball before moving onto the letter minors, where he got thrown straight into the fire. Like Ralphy Velazquez did really well but still didn't get the promotion.
 

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