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2023 Guardians Offseason Thread!

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How Do You Feel About the 2022 Season?

  • Ended too soon!

    Votes: 8 8.9%

  • Great job! The Boys did good!

    Votes: 45 50.0%

  • Good start and promising future

    Votes: 26 28.9%

  • Lousy Bums choked!

    Votes: 1 1.1%

  • Meh, regression coming

    Votes: 3 3.3%

  • Gonna go all the way next year!

    Votes: 2 2.2%

  • Herbert Perry

    Votes: 5 5.6%
  • Total voters
    90
I stand by what I said a few pages ago.

Murphy will be traded and it will be for much less than that reported asking price.

To who? I don’t know.
 
I still think we match up perfectly. Cody Morris and Tyler Freeman could be the Major league ready guys in a deal and they wouldn’t be the headliners. I’ll give them Valera as the prospect headliner and then they can pick one or two guys who don’t need to be 40 man rostered not named delaughter to finish the deal.

That’s a great offer to a rebuilding team.
 
Funkball2 said:
I still think we match up perfectly. Cody Morris and Tyler Freeman could be the Major league ready guys in a deal and they wouldn’t be the headliners. I’ll give them Valera as the prospect headliner and then they can pick one or two guys who don’t need to be 40 man rostered not named delaughter to finish the deal.

That’s a great offer to a rebuilding team.
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The A's have made it clear.. they're looking for at least three young ML'ers.. In lieu of three of the best you have.. they'd take four..with the additional one being an overall top 100 type..

The trade structure is important, not only for the affirmative acquisition of Sean Murphy, but, also, the protection of the guys that will remain as they are crucial to the future of the Guardians over the next one to five years. The CleFO has set values on every player.. some are essentially worthless.. other are so cost prohibitive to the acquiring team as to make them virtually untouchable. Each Team/Organization has these "darlings" For the Guardians, that list is five players long.. with three added that would have to be extremely painful to the acquiring team is they're included in the deal..

Virtual Untouchables: Espino, Valera, Williams, Bo Naylor and Chase DeLauter..
Painfully Included: Rocchio, Bibee and Allen

Some ground rules and an absolute resolution to adhere:

-Unless it's a "one for one" of the Virtual's.. no deal..
<this will probably kill the negotiation>

Those five guys include the two best OF prospects this club has had in more than a decade.. I'd rather go into the 2023 season and beyond with Lavastida as the back up than allow either one of those two outfielders leave for a 3 season control of a catcher.. The Indians were a juggernaut in the 1990's because of the presence of Belle, Lofton and Manny (Giles, Sexton, Justice and Grissom to a less extent) patrolling the OF and providing power at the plate.. A return to that with the pitching the Guardians are developing will make the 'big spenders' wasteful..

..but that's just me.. Thoughts?..
 
Valera, IMO, is a guy who has a very wide bell curve for outcomes. He might be REALLY good but he also may also be the next Bradley Zimmer. Of course he'll probably be somewhere between the two things but I see the bust being more likely than the boom and his value being mainly in that there's this chance that he can be a star. Depending on what you think of Straw and OGonz and Brennan and Benson, and maybe others like Martinez, Freeman, Arias who could move over there, we DO have some outfielders and I don't feel particularly limited there. We don't have heart of the lineup but Valera is just a chance, as are others... And if we don't want to convert any of these guys to OF and the situation is looking bleak we do have decent prospect capital for a MLB OF.

So yeah, I would not rank him above Rocchio in untouchable-ness... Rocchio seems to have a pretty solid floor. He's already hitting the ball, he plays good defense, very young, there's always a chance he starts hitting the ball with more juice and then you're looking at a mini Lindor type so yeah... I guess when considering trades it's more about who the other team would want but I see Rocchio as actually the more valuable there.
Gson said:
The A's have made it clear.. they're looking for at least three young ML'ers.. In lieu of three of the best you have.. they'd take four..with the additional one being an overall top 100 type..

The trade structure is important, not only for the affirmative acquisition of Sean Murphy, but, also, the protection of the guys that will remain as they are crucial to the future of the Guardians over the next one to five years. The CleFO has set values on every player.. some are essentially worthless.. other are so cost prohibitive to the acquiring team as to make them virtually untouchable. Each Team/Organization has these "darlings" For the Guardians, that list is five players long.. with three added that would have to be extremely painful to the acquiring team is they're included in the deal..

Virtual Untouchables: Espino, Valera, Williams, Bo Naylor and Chase DeLauter..
Painfully Included: Rocchio, Bibee and Allen

Some ground rules and an absolute resolution to adhere:

-Unless it's a "one for one" of the Virtual's.. no deal..
<this will probably kill the negotiation>

Those five guys include the two best OF prospects this club has had in more than a decade.. I'd rather go into the 2023 season and beyond with Lavastida as the back up than allow either one of those two outfielders leave for a 3 season control of a catcher.. The Indians were a juggernaut in the 1990's because of the presence of Belle, Lofton and Manny (Giles, Sexton, Justice and Grissom to a less extent) patrolling the OF and providing power at the plate.. A return to that with the pitching the Guardians are developing will make the 'big spenders' wasteful..

..but that's just me.. Thoughts?..
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Gson said:
The A's have made it clear.. they're looking for at least three young ML'ers.. In lieu of three of the best you have.. they'd take four..with the additional one being an overall top 100 type..
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Don't believe everything you read.
 
I am trying to understand why Chase DeLauter makes any "untouchable" listing.
I am not shopping him, but I would definitely trade him before a number of the more advanced position prospects. Considering how far away he is from the majors there are a lot of things that can go wrong/ against him making it.

IF anyone can make the case why he should be untouchable, please present it.
 
I look at all the prospect MIFs as tradeable. They have too many and they found a keeper in Gimenez. So even if they lose Rosario via trade or free agency, they will still have a bunch of options to plug in. I am bullish on Valera. His walk rate is very good. He does strikeout at a high rate but that doesn't seem to stop major league success if you can walk and hit some HRs.
 
CalBuckeyeRob said:
I look at all the prospect MIFs as tradeable. They have too many and they found a keeper in Gimenez. So even if they lose Rosario via trade or free agency, they will still have a bunch of options to plug in. I am bullish on Valera. His walk rate is very good. He does strikeout at a high rate but that doesn't seem to stop major league success if you can walk and hit some HRs.
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Valera - his offensive profile reminds me a lot of Mike Cameron.
 
CalBuckeyeRob said:
I look at all the prospect MIFs as tradeable. They have too many and they found a keeper in Gimenez.
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The issue is last year at this time Gimenez would have been grouped in with the fungible, tradeable, MIFs. Although we have a lot of them, and we fans may view them as more or less fungible, somehow I doubt the Guardians' brain trust views them that way. And, if a trade partner happens to rank them the same way we do, we have a problem, and the "surplus" is irrelevant.
 
Is it just me, or does that seem like a vast overpay?
 
lots of great responses. I watched enough Akron games on milb tv to agree on Valera being super high variance. I don’t see many major league players whiff at balls in the strike zone like I see Valera. If he swings and misses that bad in the zone off AA pitchers can I expect him to handle major league pitchers even if he does have a pretty great sense of the strike zone? Maybe this is why teams are weary of him as a centerpiece.

As far as Delauter is concerned, he’s just a fresh unscratched lottery ticket with high odds. I’ve been following this FO long enough to know that he’s not likely to be traded until they really see what they have. I think they have came out and said that about recent draftees before. After the cape cod league wasn’t he projected to be the top pick of the draft? And his college performance really didn’t do anything to bring his value down, it was more swing concerns which I’m sure they are working to correct.

That all being said, I’m fully willing to trade delauter before Valera as a centerpiece, I just don’t think teams feel the same way.
 
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