2024-25 Playoffs | Indiana Series | Game 5| Pacers @ Cavs | May 13, 2025

Cassity14 said:
I think Allen lost all credibility with his teammates when not once, but twice, he caught the ball in position to ATTACK, and instead put up a floater for Turner to swat.

Tough to want to go back to your guy who shrinks to that extent.
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This is true but he was 4-6, its not like he was 4-10. He is going to get blocked once or twice. He's a 70% shooter. The odds are he'll pump fake and bob and weave next time. Not enough touches to get into a groove to feel out his opponent. I get it, the trust factor is sometimes questionable.
 
I don't think we need to blow the team up, maybe send the guys to a sports psychologist or something. If we hit shots, we win this series. The most important stats in this game to me, 9-35 from 3pt range and 10 assts on the game, recipe for disaster.
 
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LeQuit said:
It is time to acknowledge this team is constructed of the wrong pieces and move on towards 2-3 year rebuild.We need new GM,true GM who knows how to improve the roster in less than 10 years and not to screw even after all long rebuild.We need to re-evaluate our scout dep,because they have not got us any solid and consistent player not even for the bench,but for starting 5 either.That is a big F. We need a player that might produce at least 15 pts off the bench,not just once in three-four games,but all the time.Get rid of Okoro and Wade for once,they are not going to develop any further and that was obvious even two years ago.Regarding core 5, nor Mobley,neither Garland can be our generational players after Mitchell will be gone,so we must consider all 5 players for a trade.They all have loser mentality now.That is not fixable.They are just good players…sometimes.
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Can't rebuild. Period. No draft pick until 2030. Your post is one of the worst yet.
 
Goldin Brown said:
I don't think we need to blow the team up, maybe send the guys to a sports psychologist or something. If we hit shots, we win this series. The most important stats in this game to me, 9-35 from 3pt range and 10 assts on the game, recipe for disaster.
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How does that help???
 
Wham with the Right Hand said:
I won't be surprised if they run it back next year and hope for better injury luck.
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But too many key guys on this team are injury prone (Garland and Mitchell in particular), so odds aren’t great that they’ll have better injury luck next year. Those smaller guards just get beaten up and worn down by this time of year, no matter how closely you monitor their workload.
 
Cavs need a center built like Zubac to pair with Mobley. Mobley isn't soft but he's slight. I appreciate Allen's talents but he's not the right fit with Mobley. Same goes for Garland. You need more of a Westbrook type body as the ball handler compliment to Spida. Garland just gets abused on the DEF end due to his size and it puts more pressure on his teammates the deeper you get into the playoffs. Front office should put out feelers that both Garland and Allen are available. Running it back would be insanity.
 
Guys - we are STUCK with basically this lineup for at least the next year or so. We’re in the position of someone who has driven a long way down a road and to get on another route we would have to turn around and drive hours in the other direction. Undoing all the decisions and commitments that have led us to this roster will take years, especially in the world of the second apron. When you are in the second apron it becomes VERY difficult to get equivalent value for a trade.

Plus, we are a clear playoff team in the eastern conference with this roster. We have at least some chance to break through if everything falls right for us one year. No way they try to blow it all up and return to total irrelevance for years
 
Allen is great to take pressure off Mobley. Garland is great to take pressure off of Mitchell. The redundancy is an essential formula for a long run.

The problem is the system broke down again with hero ball and lack of trust in teammates.

I think this series looks a LOT different, not necessarily winning, but a bit better result, if we still had Levert and the minivan. It's not an inherent issue with Hunter, as he played pretty well, and physical and he had some balls, but it funked up the chemistry a bit. Then the over-reliance on Jerome as he wore down and shat himself. Levert was a bigger drive and kick glue guy then we remember.

So I see it was a cascade of multiple issues:
1) Lack of physicality and mental fortitude (not toughness, fortitude)
2) Lack of trust in the offensive system, and potentially teammates, resulting in hero ball, and abandoning the inside game.
3) See above #2, lack of 3pt shotmaking, and see #1 lack of mental fortitude resulting in not hitting typical shots. "The lights are bright".
4) Injuries
5) Chemistry got out of sorts with trade as well as due to injuries

There's more, many many more, but those seem like the highlights. Our 3pt machine just seized up.
 
Bit from Fedor:

The summer has officially started. The Cavs understand what’s coming.

Biting descriptors will be used. Soft. Immature. Fraudulent. Paper tigers. They did nothing to change that reputation. If anything, they perpetuated it.

Another humbling postseason. Another May looking overmatched — and this time, against a four seed that out-played, out-fought, out-executed and out-muscled them for five games.

It’s the same story. It has become a springtime tradition. The lights are still too bright.
 
  • Game 2 was the game they could never recover from, and Game 5 had remnants of it. A big lead, an inability to consistently execute their game plan and a game they should have won. Two games they had significant double digit leads only for it to be washed away down the stretch.
  • Combine those two losses with not even showing up in Game 3 and it speaks to how they lost being more of the issue with the losses themselves. How do you process that moving forward? Is that a fatal flaw of this team? Can it be corrected?
  • The frustrations in Game 5 boil down to the following: They had a game plan; the game plan was working and then they went away from the game plan. Watching the second half was like watching a trainwreck coming from a mile away while you are strapped in a chair with duct tape over your mouth. Okay, maybe not that bad but that’s what it felt like.
  • The game didn’t start out great, but it eventually picked up. It was also a microcosm of how they needed to play and how they wanted to play. Their first four misses were all jump shots by Darius Garland, Donovan Mitchell and Max Strus and their first two makes were shots around the rim with Jarrett Allen and Evan Mobley. The shooting was off but pounding the paint was always on (and had been their advantage the entire series).
 
Just saw a stat that in his playoff career, the most fga Mobley has had in a game is 13. Not exactly a great game plan for a generational talent. DM and DG do too much iso with DM basically ball hogging when it matters most. He’s said multiple times that Evan needs to be the man but hypocritically doesn’t give him the chance to be the man.

Not sure how it would look but one of the two guards has to go
 
I'm glad I'm seeing these posts today and not last night. Why are some of you such fair weather fans? Enjoy the basketball remember thr good plays. If you want to make low effort posts there is a thread for that...ugh

Not naming names but I should consider reopening the ignore list
 
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