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2024-25 Regular Season Thread

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Orlando matches up with us even better after they take out Jarrett Allen with a cheap shot.
Agree, that is why if there is addition to the team, hopefully it is a strong/enforcer-type big... that team as it is full of nice guys, you need one big who is a little crazy and ready to fight....
 
From the Fedor/Allen podcast after the loss to the Hawks:

The thing that I think stands out to me the most is the point of attack defense is just not good enough. There are guys that are beating defenders off the dribble, forcing the defense into help situations, forcing the defense into rotations.

And then once the point of attack breaks down, it’s a scramble mode and everybody is over helping. And I think that’s part of the reason why they’re giving up so many threes. - Fedor


I completely agree - it all starts with a guy getting beat off the dribble or a ballhandler coming around a screen unchecked. Then somebody else has to switch off on the ball and we usually end up with an uncontested corner 3, which is the best shot in basketball other than a dunk.

Part of this is the Cavs don’t have Caris LaVert. They don’t have Dean Wade. Both guys are out at the same time and it’s forcing other guys to play extended minutes that aren’t as good at the point of attack...

Yeah, Niang and Merrill don't give you the same bang for the buck on the defensive end, although I think they're both better than last year.

But to me, it all starts at the point of attack...they are horrendous against point guards. If you’re betting...pick a point guard against the Cavs and pick the over for whatever it is. Damien Lillard, Trey Young, whoever it is. Point guards against the Cavs are feasting and that’s because the Cavs are just not good enough. They’re not sturdy enough at the point of attack and these guys are just breaking the paint a little bit too easy right now. - Fedor

We talk about the Boston Celtics game when you talk about the over help. That was the first time we really mentioned that and how many threes they got up. That was the similar thing tonight against the Atlanta Hawks. - Sands

[Last night] was the most three pointers that the Cavs have taken in a season. and that led to long rebounds that led to fast break opportunities and those kinds of things, especially with an Atlanta Hawks team. - Sands


The Hawks play with the second fastest pace in the NBA which means that if you miss a lot of 3's they're going to burn you, and the Cavs missed a lot of 3's. They took 48 - well over their average, and missed 33. They played right into the Hawks' hands, IMO.

I think the way to phrase it is that the Cavs have gotten comfortable. I don’t think complacent, but I think they’ve gotten comfortable in certain kinds of situations and with certain things that haven’t gone as well.

Because they found a way to win those games. And in a weird way, Ethan, I feel like the Cavs needed this. I feel like they needed a game that they were going to lose, that they didn’t give their best effort, that they didn’t play their best, and they actually lost that game. So they couldn’t just lean on the fact of, yeah, we brought our C game and still won. Yeah, we brought our D game and we still found a way to win, right? - Fedor


I agree - this game may be a wake-up call so the Cavs understand they can't always get away with just showing up and scoring 124 points. They need the defensive component to be there as well.

We can’t just rely on our offense to bail us out because it’s just that good. We can’t just play around with the game for three quarters and then just crank it up in the fourth quarter against lesser opponents, something that they have done in the past, right? They did that against Chicago. They did that against the Brooklyn Nets. - Fedor

I think Kenny Atkinson said it perfectly after the game, Ethan. We kind of got what was coming to us. And they did. They’ve been playing with fire a lot during the last two weeks. And they’ve been getting away with it. - Fedor

The overfouling is more so what I was talking about when it comes to when teams would get into the lane against the Cavs' smaller guards and instead of putting their hands back and just contesting, they would reach their hands in. - Sands

I just think the Cavs have to get back to some of the basics and some of the fundamentals...The things that J.B. Bickerstaff stressed every single day in practice that the guys didn’t always love during the J.B. Bickerstaff era because they’re so rudimentary. Like, why are we going over these things?

I think Jarrett has been trying to say this for the last week or so. And he said, like, we have a tendency to get a little bit too comfortable and believe that we’re such a great defense that it’s just going to all come together and we’re going to figure it out and we’re going to lock in on the defensive end. That mentality needs to go away because the truth is 74 points for the Hawks in the second half and 37 in the fourth quarter like that can’t keep happening...they just need to get back to doing the little things that make them a great defense.

I just wonder if the shot over expected stat that he continues to point to, the one that he often points out at halftime, is actually a good thing to let the players know because some of the guys are starting to say, well, you know, they just shot out of their minds. They just made shots. Like that guy’s not that good of a shooter and he did that. - Fedor


That's a good point because Atlanta came in making 34% of their 3's and last night they hit 47.6%. The Hawks average 12.2 made 3's per game and they hit 20 against us, so they scored 24 more points on 3's than normal. They definitely shot "over expected" and so did Boston in our other loss - they were 22-for-41. But if you tell the players at halftime, "Don't worry, they just made shots they normally miss, we're fine", that's probably not the right message.
 
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Funny Fedor won't say names but he'll get very specific.


"Point of attack defense on point guards" only leaves a very minimal amount of players we could be referring to as not playing well on defense.

Just say their names lol
 
From the Fedor/Allen podcast after the loss to the Hawks:

The thing that I think stands out to me the most is the point of attack defense is just not good enough. There are guys that are beating defenders off the dribble, forcing the defense into help situations, forcing the defense into rotations.

And then once the point of attack breaks down, it’s a scramble mode and everybody is over helping. And I think that’s part of the reason why they’re giving up so many threes. - Fedor


I completely agree - it all starts with a guy getting beat off the dribble or a ballhandler coming around a screen unchecked. Then somebody else has to switch off on the ball and we usually end up with an uncontested corner 3, which is the best shot in basketball other than a dunk.

Part of this is the Cavs don’t have Caris LaVert. They don’t have Dean Wade. Both guys are out at the same time and it’s forcing other guys to play extended minutes that aren’t as good at the point of attack...

Yeah, Niang and Merrill don't give you the same bang for the buck on the defensive end, although I think they're both better than last year.

But to me, it all starts at the point of attack...they are horrendous against point guards. If you’re betting...pick a point guard against the Cavs and pick the over for whatever it is. Damien Lillard, Trey Young, whoever it is. Point guards against the Cavs are feasting and that’s because the Cavs are just not good enough. They’re not sturdy enough at the point of attack and these guys are just breaking the paint a little bit too easy right now. - Fedor

We talk about the Boston Celtics game when you talk about the over help. That was the first time we really mentioned that and how many threes they got up. That was the similar thing tonight against the Atlanta Hawks. - Sands

[Last night] was the most three pointers that the Cavs have taken in a season. and that led to long rebounds that led to fast break opportunities and those kinds of things, especially with an Atlanta Hawks team. - Sands


The Hawks play with the second fastest pace in the NBA which means that if you miss a lot of 3's they're going to burn you, and the Cavs missed a lot of 3's. They took 48 - well over their average, and missed 33. They played right into the Hawks' hands, IMO.

I think the way to phrase it is that the Cavs have gotten comfortable. I don’t think complacent, but I think they’ve gotten comfortable in certain kinds of situations and with certain things that haven’t gone as well.

Because they found a way to win those games. And in a weird way, Ethan, I feel like the Cavs needed this. I feel like they needed a game that they were going to lose, that they didn’t give their best effort, that they didn’t play their best, and they actually lost that game. So they couldn’t just lean on the fact of, yeah, we brought our C game and still won. Yeah, we brought our D game and we still found a way to win, right? - Fedor


I agree - this game may be a wake-up call so the Cavs understand they can't always get away with just showing up and scoring 124 points. They need the defensive component to be there as well.

We can’t just rely on our offense to bail us out because it’s just that good. We can’t just play around with the game for three quarters and then just crank it up in the fourth quarter against lesser opponents, something that they have done in the past, right? They did that against Chicago. They did that against the Brooklyn Nets. - Fedor

I think Kenny Atkinson said it perfectly after the game, Ethan. We kind of got what was coming to us. And they did. They’ve been playing with fire a lot during the last two weeks. And they’ve been getting away with it. - Fedor

The overfouling is more so what I was talking about when it comes to when teams would get into the lane against the Cavs' smaller guards and instead of putting their hands back and just contesting, they would reach their hands in. - Sands

I just think the Cavs have to get back to some of the basics and some of the fundamentals...The things that J.B. Bickerstaff stressed every single day in practice that the guys didn’t always love during the J.B. Bickerstaff era because they’re so rudimentary. Like, why are we going over these things?

I think Jarrett has been trying to say this for the last week or so. And he said, like, we have a tendency to get a little bit too comfortable and believe that we’re such a great defense that it’s just going to all come together and we’re going to figure it out and we’re going to lock in on the defensive end. That mentality needs to go away because the truth is 74 points for the Hawks in the second half and 37 in the fourth quarter like that can’t keep happening...they just need to get back to doing the little things that make them a great defense.

I just wonder if the shot over expected stat that he continues to point to, the one that he often points out at halftime, is actually a good thing to let the players know because some of the guys are starting to say, well, you know, they just shot out of their minds. They just made shots. Like that guy’s not that good of a shooter and he did that. - Fedor


That's a good point because Atlanta came in making 34% of their 3's and last night they hit 47.6%. The Hawks average 12.2 made 3's per game and they hit 20 against us, so they scored 24 more points on 3's than normal. They definitely shot "over expected" and so did Boston in our other loss - they were 22-for-41. But if you tell the players at halftime, "Don't worry, they just made shots they normally miss, we're fine", that's probably not the right message.
Totally agree. Fedor seems to be on his game this season
 
From a column in The Athletic on the Cavs' 17-1 start:

Given all of the Cavs’ efficiency numbers to this point, Cleaning the Glass projects them to win 67.4 games this year. That, of course, would be a franchise record.

But Cleaning the Glass also projected them for 14.8 wins to this point based on how they’ve played so far, so the Cavs are already a couple of wins ahead of pace. That could mean a bit of regression in the wins column — or it could mean flirting with 70 victories in April.

How accurate are the projections? Here is the Cavs’ win total for the past three years as predicted by Cleaning the Glass based on their efficiency numbers. Actual win total in parentheses:

2023-24: 47 (48)

2022-23: 55 (51)

2021-22: 45.8 (44)


The Cavs have been the best "clutch" team in the NBA this year, meaning they are playing better in games that are within 5 points in the last 5 minutes than any other team, so it makes sense that they have 17 wins when their other numbers project 14.8. If this continues and they keep on winning more games than their other numbers project then they should end up with more than 67.4 wins.
 
More from Jason Lloyd's column in The Athletic:

Cleveland has outscored its opponents this year by 223 points, already surpassing last season’s total of 198...

The Cavs’ best point differential in team history is 732, not surprisingly from the season they won a franchise-record 66 games. Their point differential through 18 games that season: 222. Just one point off their current pace.
 
More from Lloyd:

When Donovan Mitchell was on the court last year, the Cavs outscored teams by 5.9 points. This year, the Cavs are outscoring teams by 7.2 points with Mitchell on the floor — and 5.6 points when he’s not.

So the Cavs are outscoring opponents this year without Mitchell at nearly the same clip as they were last year with him.


And this:

The Cavs have a positive number with every player off the floor, meaning they aren’t getting outscored by teams just because one player is resting. That shouldn’t be surprising given all of the other data and it further emphasizes how much of a team effort this season has been.

The interesting nugget, at least to me: The Cavs are at their “worst” when Evan Mobley is off the floor. They’re “only” outscoring teams by 3.1 points when Mobley sits, which is the lowest figure for a player on the team.
 
Bulls shopping Pwill, I know he kinda sucks but damn need some other wings other then Wade. No more Niang again ffs
 
A little bit after the game...

I think it was a matter of time before our new offense was going to be figured out. Teams werent not going to notice a 15 win streak to start the season. The counter is always expected. Now we have to see how the Cavs respond. That process will take some time as adjustments are made and players have to adapt to seeing new things. We have seen more trapping, especially of DG and Ty. We have seen more help pressure on Evan. We have seen more physical play and some nice assists from the boys in black and white. Cant do anything about that last one, but the rest is addressable. Go Cavs!
 
Prozingis being back for the game Sunday is slightly worrying.
 

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