2024-25 Season | Game #74 | Cavs @ Pistons | March 28, 2025 | 7:00 p.m.

The path to being a title contender is a learning process. Often learning through experience about what doesn’t work.

I think in Cleveland we have a unique perspective on that having lived through LeBron’s career. He learned pretty quickly that going to the wall to win 60+ games in the regular season means nothing if you aren’t playing your best ball from March onward.

LeBron has won 60 games maybe 3 times in his career, and unless I’m forgetting something, never since he left the Heat. He perhaps undervalues the regular season to a fault, but those early 60-win playoff failures taught him something.

This year, we’re seeing it with the Celtics who played much of the regular season at jogging speed until the past month. Meanwhile the Cavs, inexperienced with this level of success, floored it through most the regular season but are now struggling to beat all but the worst teams.

I’m not ready to cash in the season, but if this season ends with a disappointing early playoff exit, I’d expect the Cavs’ approach to next season to be very different. Just trying not to bury themselves between October and February and trying to align things to begin ramping up after that.
 
We just need to finish off with the one seed. Boston is now staring us down only being 4 games back. We better be careful here.
All this resting of guys is going to come back and bite us in the ass. Threw the team out of its rhythm and has cost us games. That loss against Orlando was totally unnecessary. The Cavs don’t have that much time to get their rhythm BACK.
 
All this resting of guys is going to come back and bite us in the ass. Threw the team out of its rhythm and has cost us games. That loss against Orlando was totally unnecessary. The Cavs don’t have that much time to get their rhythm BACK.
Magic are not bad at all, that was not a bad L. When players need a day off Cavs have/had the luxury to give it to them...
 
Like I said, schedule loss. The Cavs ran out of gas. Credit to them for making a huge run in the 4th but Garland's miss of an uncontested corner 3 that would have cut the lead to 2 points with 2:55 to go led to a Cavs collapse.

With the benefit of two days of rest after a home game the Pistons just had more energy and more intensity than the Cavs. I thought that with Cunningham out and then Tobias Harris as well the Pistons would really be strapped for scoring. No problem, with Tim Hardaway Jr leading the way with 32 points the Pistons lit up the Cavs for 132 after averaging 102 in the first three games against the Cavs. Once again the Cavs were thrashed on the defensive glass giving up 16 offensive rebounds.

The Pistons, despite missing three starters in Cade, Harris, and Ivey, got to the line 35 times. They also hit 44.1% of their 3's. I think the Cavs' tired legs were a factor in all the fouling, although the Pistons' game is to attack the rim.

The main takeaway is that Donovan Mitchell is back. In back-to-back games he played 71 minutes scoring 63 points and dishing out 17 assists. This is the guy we'll need in the playoffs.

Craig Porter Jr had a great game with a line of 9/5/2 and 3 steals in 21 minutes. If Ty Jerome leaves after this season I'm confident CPJ can take up the slack, especially if he gets minutes every night.

Evan Mobley was checked out despite having two days of rest. He had a line of 9/6/4 in 33 minutes and a staggering -23. Jarrett Allen looks gassed. I applaud his goal of playing in 82 games but he was all but useless tonight and Kenny knew it, playing him only 19 minutes.

The Pistons' center rotation of Duren and Stewart completely outplayed Mobley and Allen, combining for 30 points and 17 rebounds. Another example of centers who are very physical overwhelming our skinny duo.

Javonte Green may be making a push for playoff minutes. The last two nights the Cavs outscored the opponents by 26 points in the 22 minutes he was on the floor. He had 9 rebounds on a team desperate for rebounding. I can see why they signed him.

The Cavs scrapped, but 14 turnovers, 35 free throws by the opponent along with 16 offensive rebounds and 44% on 3's is tough to overcome. JBB has the Pistons playing mad dog defense, contesting every pass, denying, overplaying and hacking in the paint. The Pistons committed 29 fouls, but that's their game. When the refs "let 'em play" it's to the Pistons' advantage.

Austin Carr had a good point in that the Pistons try to muck up the game, denying every pass, grabbing players away from the ball, fouling hard, and not letting the offense flow. Mitchell almost had no choice but to go one-on-one as it was tough to get passes off.

It looked like a physical team against a finesse team tonight.

I don't know if Strus and Jerome would have made a difference but I'm sure Cunningham and Harris would and I assume we will see them if we get Detroit in the playoffs, which we very well might. All they have to do is beat Indiana. That will be one heck of a physical series.
 
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Like I said, schedule loss. The Cavs ran out of gas. Credit to them for making a huge run in the 4th but Garland's miss of an uncontested corner 3 that would have cut the lead to 2 points with 2:55 to go led to a Cavs collapse.

With the benefit of two days of rest after a home game the Pistons just had more energy and more intensity than the Cavs. I thought that with Cunningham out and then Tobias Harris as well the Pistons would really be strapped for scoring. No problem, with Tim Hardaway Jr leading the way with 32 points the Pistons lit up the Cavs for 132 after averaging 102 in the first three games against the Cavs. Once again the Cavs were thrashed on the defensive glass giving up 16 offensive rebounds.

The Pistons, despite missing three starters in Cade, Harris, and Ivey, got to the line 35 times. They also hit 44.1% of their 3's. I think the Cavs' tired legs were a factor in all the fouling, although the Pistons' game is to attack the rim.

The main takeaway is that Donovan Mitchell is back. In back-to-back games he played 71 minutes scoring 63 points and dishing out 17 assists. This is the guy we'll need in the playoffs.

Craig Porter Jr had a great game with a line of 9/5/2 and 3 steals in 21 minutes. If Ty Jerome leaves after this season I'm confident CPJ can take up the slack, especially if he gets minutes every night.

Evan Mobley was checked out despite having two days of rest. He had a line of 9/6/4 in 33 minutes and a staggering -23. Jarrett Allen looks gassed. I applaud his goal of playing in 82 games but he was all but useless tonight and Kenny knew it, playing him only 19 minutes.

The Pistons' center rotation of Duren and Stewart completely outplayed Mobley and Allen, combining for 30 points and 17 rebounds. Another example of centers who are very physical overwhelming our skinny duo.

Javonte Green may be making a push for playoff minutes. The last two nights the Cavs outscored the opponents by 26 points in the 22 minutes he was on the floor.

The Cavs scrapped, but 14 turnovers, 35 free throws by the opponent along with 16 offensive rebounds and 44% on 3's is tough to overcome. JBB has the Pistons playing mad dog defense, contesting every pass, denying, overplaying and hacking in the paint. The Pistons committed 29 fouls, but that's their game. When the refs "let 'em play" it's to the Pistons' advantage.

Austin Carr had a good point in that the Pistons try to muck up the game, denying every pass, grabbing players away from the ball, fouling hard, and not letting the offense flow. Mitchell almost had no choice but to go one-on-one as it was tough to get passes off.

It looked like a physical team against a finesse team tonight.

I don't know if Strus and Jerome would have made a difference but I'm sure Cunningham and Harris would and I assume we will see them if we get Detroit in the playoffs, which we very well might. All they have to do is beat Indiana. That will be one heck of a physical series.
Pacers Pistons will/would be an awesome series...
 
Fedor pointed out that Detroit is ranked 3rd in defensive rating over the last 15 games, but even with tired legs on the second night of a back-to-back the Cavs scored 122. Not bad.

They just couldn't control the defensive glass and stay in front of the Pistons defensively. The Pistons hit layup after layup over Mobley and Allen.
 
With rebounding, there’s not a lot of tactics involved. I’ve come to the conclusion, whoever hits first and drives the other guy out, you go get the rebound. Obviously, we’re lacking in that area right now….. what you don’t want is to be down in a series 2-0 because you’re getting pounded on the boards. Having that happen is inexcusable so it’s definitely something we have to turn/fix. - Kenny Atkinson

I've also noticed that the refs let guys pretty much do whatever they want when battling for a rebound as long as you don't obviously lock up the other guy's arm. Allen or Mobley have both hands on the ball and they get crushed, the ball comes out, and no foul is called. There's no such thing as "coming over the top" anymore. Just because you have position and the ball doesn't mean they can't body slam you with impunity.

The Cavs' centers are skinny and get moved away from the rim by physical centers and that's not something Kenny can fix. Mobley and Allen are going to get driven out of there and we're just going to need others to help out on the boards.
 
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