2024-25 Season | Game #77 | Cavs @ Spurs | Apr. 4, 2025 | 8:00 p.m.

[macbdog]

The nerve of Allen to take the second half off when he’s played every half of every game.

But you’re right, it’s all on the training staffs, who were much better in my day when players played 48, pitchers went nine innings and Chuck Bednarik went both ways* in the 1960 Championship Game. That’s when men were men.













*Played both offense and defense (57 of 60 minutes), NOT …

Man, Bednarik needed a 3 minute nap to get through the game, what a flake.



Please don't hurt me, Mr Bednarik.

 

[Going-Going-Gone]

What other players are creating shots for DG down the stretch? I guess when the Head Coach of a Team who is up for the COTY award is pushing for a player to win the clutch player of the year award that is something we also should not take seriously...

Donovan creates for DG a lot more than the reverse, if you will note. Both have turned the ball over when pressured but Don is less likely to try to dribble through the pressure and more likely to pass when it comes and makes better decisions. Ty also seems to handle the pressure better and better able to stop isolations than DG because he is bigger and stronger -- I'm referring to the last minute of games when the margins are one possessions.

 

[MattyIce8]

Donovan creates for DG a lot more than the reverse, if you will note. Both have turned the ball over when pressured but Don is less likely to try to dribble through the pressure and more likely to pass when it comes and makes better decisions. Ty also seems to handle the pressure better and better able to stop isolations than DG because he is bigger and stronger -- I'm referring to the last minute of games when the margins are one possessions.

This is simply incorrect analysis based on your own personal feelings about the player.

 

[Going-Going-Gone]

This is simply incorrect analysis based on your own personal feelings about the player.

Not true ... maybe it is subjective, but that's how I see it. DG is turnover prone when pressured during crunch time. I haven't been counting the turnovers, but StatMuse shows 4th quarter turnovers and no one from the Cavs is in the top-25 (non-subscribers can see this). Maybe someone here who subscribes to it can show the entire list. So, maybe DG isn't as bad as it seems to me.

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Furthermore, I think Ty is less turnover prone during crunch time than either DG or Don. Maybe someone can check that stat. And it's because he's more conservative with the ball and doesn't try to do it all on his own. Check it out and if stats prove me wrong, then fine.

 

[Wham with the Right Hand]

I wish they would just run their normal offense in late game situations instead of Garland or Mitchell playing hero ball.

 

[gaitano]

Not true ... maybe it is subjective, but that's how I see it. DG is turnover prone when pressured during crunch time. I haven't been counting the turnovers, but StatMuse shows 4th quarter turnovers and no one from the Cavs is in the top-25 (non-subscribers can see this). Maybe someone here who subscribes to it can show the entire list. So, maybe DG isn't as bad as it seems to me.

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Furthermore, I think Ty is less turnover prone during crunch time than either DG or Don. Maybe someone can check that stat. And it's because he's more conservative with the ball and doesn't try to do it all on his own. Check it out and if stats prove me wrong, then fine.

You've got it exactly backwards according to stats from nba.com, turnovers in clutch time (last 5 minutes), per 36 m:

Darius Garland 1.4
Donovan Mitchell 2.6
Ty Jerome 2.8

Edit: To be fair, it might be a better measure if we adjusted for usage in clutch time.

 

[PIP]

I wish they would just run their normal offense in late game situations instead of Garland or Mitchell playing hero ball.

Every team does that tho for the most part...

They iso in the end... Hell even the Bulls went away from the triangle and let Jordan torch people at the end of games when it mattered the most...

The Spurs were really the only team I've seen over the years to continue to run their stuff in end game situations.... Sometimes they'd let Manu get loose if he was cooking that night but otherwise would run a set...

 

[PIP]

Not true ... maybe it is subjective, but that's how I see it.

You've got it exactly backwards according to stats from nba.com

I can't...Just gonna continue to enjoy my Saturday in Miami..


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[bushwick_bill]

You've got it exactly backwards according to stats from nba.com, turnovers in clutch time (last 5 minutes), per 36 m:

Darius Garland 1.4
Donovan Mitchell 2.6
Ty Jerome 2.8

Edit: To be fair, it might be a better measure if we adjusted for usage in clutch time.

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A table featuring traditional clutch information for each player in the league based on selected filters.

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A table featuring traditional clutch information for each player in the league based on selected filters.

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[gaitano]

Addressing which Cavs guard is least prone to turnovers in clutch time, apparently the answer is DG.

I wanted to see the raw numbers adjusted for usage in clutch time, but assist-to-turnover ratio in clutch time is probably a decent proxy for that. The answer is still DG.

 

[Going-Going-Gone]

I noticed that though Trae Young is best in assist to turnover, he also is one of the leaders in 4th quarter TOs, but then it's probably because he has the ball in his hands so much. I'm not a stat person. I watch the games, but they are revealing. My "sense" of it with Garland is not overall, but when it is the crucial one possession, last minute of the game he seems to be bothered by the pressure, like the last game. I think in those instances, it probably is best to have all three in there at the same time.

 

[2 For The Brew]

Trae = basketball purgatory

 

[-Akronite-]

Unfortunately, I think this does show we don't trust our bigs in the clutch enough. Our guards are our primary creators, of course, so they'll naturally score more. And when things slow down in crunch time it becomes harder to keep the ball moving, which means it's less likely you get a rolling finish for Allen. But I would like to see more from/for Mobley when it matters, like that huge bucket against OKC.

Garland's clutch time turnaround this season has been nothing short of miraculous.

 

[2 For The Brew]

Unfortunately, I think this does show we don't trust our bigs in the clutch enough. Our guards are our primary creators, of course, so they'll naturally score more. And when things slow down in crunch time it becomes harder to keep the ball moving, which means it's less likely you get a rolling finish for Allen. But I would like to see more from/for Mobley when it matters, like that huge bucket against OKC.

Garland's clutch time turnaround this season has been nothing short of miraculous.

I’m not sure Jarrett Allen’s offense is something you can use in the clutch.

Do we trust Evan to hit a wide open three in a critical situation?

 

[bushwick_bill]

I noticed that though Trae Young is best in assist to turnover, he also is one of the leaders in 4th quarter TOs, but then it's probably because he has the ball in his hands so much. I'm not a stat person. I watch the games, but they are revealing. My "sense" of it with Garland is not overall, but when it is the crucial one possession, last minute of the game he seems to be bothered by the pressure, like the last game. I think in those instances, it probably is best to have all three in there at the same time.