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See I grade him as a reliever so I'd not put as high of value on him, but I can trust your opinion with that opinion of IF he gets the right coaching, he could be a better pitcher... His Slider, numbers wise hasn't been all that good in my mind, so hopefully he can get that tweak...

His slider has good movement.

I don't think it's the right movement to play off his FB however. A good player dev person should be able to get that honed in quickly for him. His FB and changeup already play way up IMO. Get the slider right and you have a guy with 3 plus pitches, one of which is already plus plus.
 
His slider has good movement.

I don't think it's the right movement to play off his FB however. A good player dev person should be able to get that honed in quickly for him. His FB and changeup already play way up IMO. Get the slider right and you have a guy with 3 plus pitches, one of which is already plus plus.

Going by the numbers his slider got hit hard so far in the majors... I remember Bauer saying a pitcher should have three pitches from the same arm slot that move in three different directions making like a triangle type of thing. My guess is that slider doesn't essentially compliment his fastball and change up so it needs a different type of spin/movement?
 
Going by the numbers his slider got hit hard so far in the majors... I remember Bauer saying a pitcher should have three pitches from the same arm slot that move in three different directions making like a triangle type of thing. My guess is that slider doesn't essentially compliment his fastball and change up so it needs a different type of spin/movement?

It needs a different type of movement.

His slider drops more than average, but its horizontal movement is fairly average to below average. His FB and his CH are deceptive because of their horizonal movement, not their vertical movement.

He needs his slider to drop less. If that picks up horizontal movement for him in the process, great. If not, also great. But it becomes easy to pick up when you see the spin and the slight hump for downward movement.
 
It's a great return for one year of Burnes.

In value, basically Rocchio+L. Allen, that's a good haul.

Comp pick is a wash/covering up the future QO comp
 
It's a great return for one year of Burnes.

In value, basically Rocchio+L. Allen, that's a good haul.

Comp pick is a wash/covering up the future QO comp
Okay with the description of how to evaluate the Burnes comp pick.. save for the year of waiting for it to be awarded, 2024 draft v 2025 draft... call me impatient..

I had the comp as Brandon Pfaadt and Jordan Lawler from the DBax .. [which would also be a very good haul..] Lawler was actually worse than Ortiz in the few dozen ML AB's during the regular season but has great MiLB numbers, just like Ortiz's... Both pitchers had a longer showcases and neither was what you'd call lights out.. Pfaadt did have an excellent post season as a limited starter while DL Hall was perfect in a much smaller sample size as an RP.. fwiw, I still think that if a deal w/ the Guardians was to be made for Clase.. DL Hall would be put into the back of the pen (combining with Barlow as a tandem)...

Edit: the Clase to Baltimore suggested deal would NOT include Bieber.. so, the SP depth would not be affected

Both comps are good, I would say..
 


White Soxs just go busy... Out are RP Gregory Santos and SP Cristian Mena... In are OFs Zach DeLoach, Dominic Fletcher and RP Prelander Berroa...

DeLoach and Fletcher are both solid contact guys... Berroa has a nice arm, if he can get better command he will be a weapon (at least I believe) from the bullpen..

I wonder if Eloy Gimenez is going to be dealt?
 


White Soxs just go busy... Out are RP Gregory Santos and SP Cristian Mena... In are OFs Zach DeLoach, Dominic Fletcher and RP Prelander Berroa...

DeLoach and Fletcher are both solid contact guys... Berroa has a nice arm, if he can get better command he will be a weapon (at least I believe) from the bullpen..

I wonder if Eloy Gimenez is going to be dealt?

I was looking at the roster of the White Soxs to kind of project a lineup after these deals...

RF Dominic Fletcher
LF Bentendi
CF Luis Robert
1B Vaughn
DH Jimenez
3B Moncada
SS Lopez/DeJong
C Maldonado/Stassi
2B Shewmake

Then last two Sheets... DeLoach? Or a right handed MIF, not on the roster (unless they go with Sosa...) Fletcher could be after Moncada, but he has had a very high walk right so he makes more sense up in the lineup... I actually think Sheets could be traded...

Edit...


White Soxs get
Util Brendan Rodgers

Rockies get
1B/RF Gavin Sheets
PTBNL (or a lotto type)

I feel like this makes their roster better in 24...
 
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See I grade him as a reliever so I'd not put as high of value on him, but I can trust your opinion with that opinion of IF he gets the right coaching, he could be a better pitcher... His Slider, numbers wise hasn't been all that good in my mind, so hopefully he can get that tweak...
How can you make any type of logical conclusion that pigeon holes him into reliever role? Do you think his development is done at 25 yrs of age after coming out of an organization that isn't known for producing pitchers? What "slider numbers" are you even referring to anyway? This is the same type of ignorance that is being used to judge Arias. Trying to form a conclusive judgement based off of developmental stats while ignoring obvious talent that 98% of the league doesn't have. If you want to build a championship caliber team then you need to take chances on high end talent. Assembling a bunch of Rocchios and Kwans isn't going to do that.
 
How can you make any type of logical conclusion that pigeon holes him into reliever role? Do you think his development is done at 25 yrs of age after coming out of an organization that isn't known for producing pitchers? What "slider numbers" are you even referring to anyway? This is the same type of ignorance that is being used to judge Arias. Trying to form a conclusive judgement based off of developmental stats while ignoring obvious talent that 98% of the league doesn't have. If you want to build a championship caliber team then you need to take chances on high end talent. Assembling a bunch of Rocchios and Kwans isn't going to do that.

Orioles needed SP help and they made him a reliever... His Slider was less than 10% of his SOs and he threw is 20%+ of the time with his fastball over 50% of the time... It was his second pitch and the xBA and whatnot against the pitch was pretty bad... The pitch couldn't get anyone out...

He doesn't have a strong enough second pitch right now to merit spending a SP value in a trade, which is what Baltimore and BTV had him at... He's got a nice floor as a reliever, but hasn't shown to me he can be a starter. At the current moment, he is a lefty reliever... Brewers are good at developing pitchers, so this would be a good spot for him that way, but he's graded a reliever in my mind until I see him fix his second pitch. Even Bimbo said it needs work, though it's not a bad pitch just doesn't mix well with his fastball...
 
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Orioles needed SP help and they made him a reliever... His Slider was less than 10% of his SOs and he threw is 20%+ of the time with his fastball over 50% of the time... It was his second pitch and the xBA and whatnot against the pitch was pretty bad... The pitch couldn't get anyone out...

He doesn't have a strong enough second pitch right now to merit spending a SP value in a trade, which is what Baltimore and BTV had him at... He's got a nice floor as a reliever, but hasn't shown to me he can be a starter. At the current moment, he is a lefty reliever... Brewers are good at developing pitchers, so this would be a good spot for him that way, but he's graded a reliever in my mind until I see him fix his second pitch. Even Bimbo said it needs work...
That's because Baltimore doesn't develop SP and rushed him when he wasn't ready. Sometimes you need to try to understand the numbers instead of using the numbers to make a profound, conclusive statement. He's not a reliever yet. He wasn't a reliever in the minors, and he sure as hell is in a better situation now to finish his development.
 
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That's because Baltimore doesn't develop SP and rushed him when he wasn't ready. Sometimes you need to try to understand the numbers instead of using the numbers to make a profound statement. He's not a reliever yet. He wasn't a reliever in the minors, and he sure as hell is in a better situation now to finish his development.

He hasn't pitched above 80 innings since back in 2018... His BB rate per 9 is pretty bad as a starter plus the rest of his numbers are nothing to write home about. His numbers between starting and relievering are significantly different... You get exposed way more as a starter if you don't have a strong second pitch and he doesn't yet. If I am trading for a 25 year old player, I am not trading for him as a starter... I mean I would still work on him to see if he could be one, but I am not giving starter value up for someone who has even hit 100 innings in any given season...
 
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He hasn't pitched above 80 innings since college back in 2018... His BB rate per 9 is pretty bad as a starter plus the rest of his numbers are nothing to write home about. His numbers between starting and relievering are significantly different... You get exposed way more as a starter if you don't have a strong second pitch and he doesn't yet. If I am trading for a 25 year old player, I am not trading for him as a starter... I mean I would still work on him to see if he could be one, but I am not giving starter value up for someone who has even hit 100 innings in any given season...
W/R to DL Hall... your assessment is absolute garbage.. this guy can flat out pitch.. he has three above average to plus pitches.. one is double plus.. the numbers you're quoting & as your only claim to define this guy's shortcomings is just limiting.. LOOK CLOSER..
 
W/R to DL Hall... your assessment is absolute garbage.. this guy can flat out pitch.. he has three above average to plus pitches.. one is double plus.. the numbers you're quoting & as your only claim to define this guy's shortcomings is just limiting.. LOOK CLOSER..


I am looking at the numbers.. Yes physically everything is there but 5+ BB per 9 at AA/AAA... ERA and other stuff like that all about 5... His second pitch has gotten mashed and that's pretty much a fact... Whip isn't good either... He has gone less than 4 innings a start since COVID... I can't grade someone like that a starter... I didn't say he couldn't pitch, I just said I don't think he's a starter...
 

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