2024 Off-Season Thread

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Comeback kid said:
So now 53 games is less than half of 82……
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It obviously isn't, so it was pretty clearly hyperbole.

The issue remains despite the hyperbole, though. As you can probably see, a lot of us here really likes what Dean brings to the team. But the injury history is a legit concern for which there is no easy answer.
 
adam81king said:
"If hes healthy" for Dean Wade is a pretty outlandish caveat. In his 5yr career, he's literally *never* played more than 63 games. He's more injury-prone that EVERY player folks don't want to get because of injury history. Even taking out his rookie year, where he only played 12 games, he averages 53 games played in is other 4 seasons. He'd be a nice player (hypothetically) if he played more than half a season every year, but at some point you gotta realize he can't be counted on for anything but being injured.

***Cam Johnson has played 59 more games in the same 5yr career.
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Is he? Or has he misused in a way that makes him more prone to injury because he is playing in places he should not?

His first year is hard to count as he was in the G-League early. He did have an ankle injury late in the season. In his second year he had NINE DNPs, so let's not hold that against Wade. He was available for 72 games.

In his third year he was available for 60 games. In his fourth year (22/23) he was only available for 50, but we know that was the shoulder issue that caused most of it. Last season he was available for 55 games. A couple of those were listed as an illness, not and injury.

Cam Johnson has been less available. You are counting the first year against Wade when he played 30 games in Canton and then got a ton of DNPs in Cleveland. If you exclude that first year, Wade is healthier than Johnson. You are citing a problematic number because of Wade's DNPs and G-League appearances. Wade has been available to play for nearly 50 more games than Johnson.
 
Cavatt said:
Another thing I think about Dean is:

The shoulder, yeah that is probably someone blocked him or getting hit while going for the ball.

However the knee stuff. Is that Guarding Trae Young etc? I get on a switch or something, but JB used to put Dean on small guys when Okoro was hurt.

He's not really durable enough to do that on guards IMO.

I'm also a believer you are more likely to get hurt with irregular minutes. Like fan appreciation night Craig Porter getting that sprained ankle. Does that happen if he had been getting run? I'm not so sure.
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Some good observations here. I agree on injuries if you are not getting regular minutes and Dean guarding guards. He should be guarding 3 and 4, occasionally 5. They should avoid putting him on a 1 or 2.
 
adam81king said:
"If hes healthy" for Dean Wade is a pretty outlandish caveat. In his 5yr career, he's literally *never* played more than 63 games. He's more injury-prone that EVERY player folks don't want to get because of injury history. Even taking out his rookie year, where he only played 12 games, he averages 53 games played in is other 4 seasons. He'd be a nice player (hypothetically) if he played more than half a season every year, but at some point you gotta realize he can't be counted on for anything but being injured.

***Cam Johnson has played 59 more games in the same 5yr career.
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In Dean's first year it wasnt all healthy, he was an undrafted rookie that got allot of DNP-CD

So the 59 more games is probably closer to only 20 in 5 years missing for health reasons. About the same.
 
The Human Q-Tip said:
It obviously isn't, so it was pretty clearly hyperbole.

The issue remains despite the hyperbole, though. As you can probably see, a lot of us here really likes what Dean brings to the team. But the injury history is a legit concern for which there is no easy answer.
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I would argue that Cam has almost the exact same injury concerns.

Honestly I would start Dean over Cam. The lower usage and better defense fits the starters better, then you bring Cam in a 3/4 role. I am talking myself more and more thinking Cam is a good option if we can get him for Okoro or Levert.
 
Lee said:
In Dean's first year it wasnt all healthy, he was an undrafted rookie that got allot of DNP-CD

So the 59 more games is probably closer to only 20 in 5 years missing for health reasons. About the same.
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I only brought up Cam because that's who (many) people want. Deandre Hunter has played 263 games over the same 5yrs (interesting Dean, Cam and Deandre are all 5yr pros).

The point remains, and why I took out Deans rookie season when computing averages games played, that "Healthy Dean Wade" is about as real as the Loch Ness monster.
 
Lee said:
I would argue that Cam has almost the exact same injury concerns.

Honestly I would start Dean over Cam. The lower usage and better defense fits the starters better, then you bring Cam in a 3/4 role. I am talking myself more and more thinking Cam is a good option if we can get him for Okoro or Levert.
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I don't know who brought it up earlier, but I checked the math and theres a 3-way deal where the Cavaliers could get Cam Johnson *and* Deandre Hunter for Okoro (Bkn), Levert (Atl) and Niang (Atl) (Im sure draft picks would beed to be included.

Between Dean, Cam and Deandre, the ideal SF might actually exist for 82 games and the playoffs.
 
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adam81king said:
I don't know who brought it up earlier, but I checked the math and theres a 3-way deal where the Cavaliers could get Cam Johnson *and* Deandre Hunter for Okoro (Bkn), Levert (Atl) and Niang (Atl) (Im sure draft picks would beed to be included.

Between Dean, Cam and Deandre, the ideal SF might actually exist for 82 games and the playoffs.
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I think i might only take 2 of the 3 if being honest.
 
Just feels like there's no determination from the front office. Once again we're wasting the time of a great talent by not doing enough to better the team around him.
 
kookoo said:
Just feels like there's no determination from the front office. Once again we're wasting the time of a great talent by not doing enough to better the team around him.
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I think the issue of the 2nd apron is very real. I would have liked to get a bigger SF or a back up big, like Filipkowski even with all the Mormon grooming crap, but what is done is done. I do think Tyson is more SF than we are giving credit for though.
 
I'm sure if we just wait long enough something great will fall into our laps ...patience ...

Yeah man...
 
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