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2024 Season | Series #14 | Guardians @ Rangers | May 13-15, 2024

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the bottom 6 in our lineup have op's < 300

It's almost like a carbon copy of last season, except we're playing winning baseball.

I'd say that 5 things have ultimately contributed, based on changes:

1. New manager.
2. Bullpen pitching very well.
3. Kwan setting the table at a high rate.
4. Straw out // Freeman in.
5. Rosario/Arias out // Rocchio in.

That's it...... everything else has basically been the same. Gimi, Naylor, JRam basically being themselves; our starting rotation in shambles of sorts, and the bottom of our order sub-par generally.

What I'm really trying to say, though, is Rocchio is a game changer...........hehe.
 
Rocchio- 120 AB slashing 208/302/275/577. How in the fuck does a grown man only slug 275? Pathetic.
Arias- 85 AB slashing 224/250/329/579 and the better defensive SS, but being bounced around the field.

In all honesty, they both suck ass right now, but only one of them gives a glimpse of hope to be an above average player and his initials are not BR.
 
Rocchio- 120 AB slashing 208/302/275/577. How in the fuck does a grown man only slug 275? Pathetic.
Arias- 85 AB slashing 224/250/329/579 and the better defensive SS, but being bounced around the field.

In all honesty, they both suck ass right now, but only one of them gives a glimpse of hope to be an above average player and his initials are not BR.
You keep believing that...lol.

Keep believing that a 24 yr old with nearly 500 PAs, with a 33% K rate and currently sporting a 66 wRC+, has any hope of being an above average player.

How can a grown ass man strike out 33% of the time? How can a grown as man only have two walks? How can a grown ass man only reach base 25% of the time?

Here's one for you...how can a grown as man manage to hit the ball in the air only 12 times in 85 at bats?

Keep believing that 490 innings at SS and -1 DRS is a superior defender.

*******

Don't know what Rocchio will become, but he has a better shot than Arias, who has none.

Presently, he has a 74 wRC+ and 5 DRS in 480 innings.

*******

But I heard the same crap about a young Cleveland SS who put up a 76 wRC+ in his second go around in MLB...and got sent back down. You might have heard about him...Andres Gimenez.
 
You keep believing that...lol.

Keep believing that a 24 yr old with nearly 500 PAs, with a 33% K rate and currently sporting a 66 wRC+, has any hope of being an above average player.

How can a grown ass man strike out 33% of the time? How can a grown as man only have two walks? How can a grown ass man only reach base 25% of the time?

Here's one for you...how can a grown as man manage to hit the ball in the air only 12 times in 85 at bats?

Keep believing that 490 innings at SS and -1 DRS is a superior defender.

*******

Don't know what Rocchio will become, but he has a better shot than Arias, who has none.

Presently, he has a 74 wRC+ and 5 DRS in 480 innings.

*******

But I heard the same crap about a young Cleveland SS who put up a 76 wRC+ in his second go around in MLB...and got sent back down. You might have heard about him...Andres Gimenez.
LOL! Good ol' CATS loves him some little men that can't hit their way out of a wet paper bag. I will keep believing that Arias has the potential to be an above average player. I'm slowing losing faith that he will do so in Cleveland though.

Rocchio has a better shot at being a mediocre player for sure. I've said that at least 10 times. I'm not interested in mediocre players and neither should the Guardians. He was the classic overhyped prospect that should have been dealt while his value was inflated. Now he probably has no more value than Arias.

If Gimenez wasn't a platinum glove winner then he would likely be on the hot seat as well. At least he was given a long leash. Have you heard that crap before? He was below average last season and so far this year he's ever so slightly below average again offensively speaking(99 OPS+) and he has over 1500 ML AB. When are you going to bitch about him not performing well enough after so many AB. You won't because you have some sort of fetish for good defensive players that don't hit very well. After all, you were a Myles Straw lover.

It's been explained why Arias is probably struggling so badly, but you don't listen. Unfortunately for you Rocchio doesn't have that excuse or any excuse really. Love the way you cherry pick defensive metrics. Some kind of little man syndrome going on here and all this for what? Because I see Arias' upside regardless of the likelihood of him reaching it. At least he has it because Rocchio doesn't. I'd be perfectly fine if they found a SS that was performing and kicked both to the curb at this point. Clearly what they're doing isn't working.
 
LOL! Good ol' CATS loves him some little men that can't hit their way out of a wet paper bag. I will keep believing that Arias has the potential to be an above average player. I'm slowing losing faith that he will do so in Cleveland though.

Rocchio has a better shot at being a mediocre player for sure. I've said that at least 10 times. I'm not interested in mediocre players and neither should the Guardians. He was the classic overhyped prospect that should have been dealt while his value was inflated. Now he probably has no more value than Arias.

If Gimenez wasn't a platinum glove winner then he would likely be on the hot seat as well. At least he was given a long leash. Have you heard that crap before? He was below average last season and so far this year he's ever so slightly below average again offensively speaking(99 OPS+) and he has over 1500 ML AB. When are you going to bitch about him not performing well enough after so many AB. You won't because you have some sort of fetish for good defensive players that don't hit very well. After all, you were a Myles Straw lover.

It's been explained why Arias is probably struggling so badly, but you don't listen. Unfortunately for you Rocchio doesn't have that excuse or any excuse really. Love the way you cherry pick defensive metrics. Some kind of little man syndrome going on here and all this for what? Because I see Arias' upside regardless of the likelihood of him reaching it. At least he has it because Rocchio doesn't. I'd be perfectly fine if they found a SS that was performing and kicked both to the curb at this point. Clearly what they're doing isn't working.
You are right about one thing. I like guys, big or small, who make contact and play very good defense.

You denigrating Gimenez says everything about you. Andres has been worth 13 fWAR in the equivalent of three seasons. I love guys that are 4+ WAR players. Kwan is another.

Arias problem is that he CANT HIT. A player that can't hit has no upside. Arias has as much upside as Yu Chang.

You take Chang. I will take Gimenez. You take Florial. I will take Kwan. You take Arias. I will take Rocchio.
 
Yawn.....My dick is bigger than yours and I'm going to prove it with all kinds of fancy stats that fit my narrative. Jesus Fucking Christ CAN SOMEBODY MAKE A FUCKING ARIAS VS ROCHHIO THREAD and put all of this shit there so those of us are sick and fucking tired of you motherfuckers that think you have to be fucking right about everything all the time don't have to fucking read it anymore.


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This is the type of stuff that can get you bounced. Folks need to back off this crap now.
 
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Yawn.....My dick is bigger than yours and I'm going to prove it with all kinds of fancy stats that fit my narrative. Jesus Fucking Christ CAN SOMEBODY MAKE A FUCKING ARIAS VS ROCHHIO THREAD and put all of this shit there so those of us are sick and fucking tired of you motherfuckers that think you have to be fucking right about everything all the time don't have to fucking read it anymore.
How about a cute little dick with skill?

Also this idea has been attempted before:
 
Yawn.....My dick is bigger than yours and I'm going to prove it with all kinds of fancy stats that fit my narrative. Jesus Fucking Christ CAN SOMEBODY MAKE A FUCKING ARIAS VS ROCHHIO THREAD and put all of this shit there so those of us are sick and fucking tired of you motherfuckers that think you have to be fucking right about everything all the time don't have to fucking read it anymore.
How about a cute little dick with skill?

Also this idea has been attempted before:
Since the Arias vs Rocchio thread didn't work, how about we spin up a Cats vs CDAV thread? :chuckle: We can even put a little poll at the top where we can all bet on who will win.

Also I'll take your cute little dick with skill :gfight:
 
Yawn.....My dick is bigger than yours and I'm going to prove it with all kinds of fancy stats that fit my narrative. Jesus Fucking Christ CAN SOMEBODY MAKE A FUCKING ARIAS VS ROCHHIO THREAD and put all of this shit there so those of us are sick and fucking tired of you motherfuckers that think you have to be fucking right about everything all the time don't have to fucking read it anymore.
Sorry, I won't post about it again. Do you need me to get you a tissue or maybe you could post something that begins or contributes to an alternative conversation? You never had to read it to begin with and there is an ignore button. Enjory your day.......yawn.
 
I personally don't mind the debate. Both guys deserve critique and I'm not sold on either at this point. I lean one way but honestly I think I'd prefer Brito or Bazzana at 2nd and moving Gimi to short.
 

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