2025 Draft Prospects Thread

[CBBI]

Ok but then go back the first 8 years and 4 teams. He was pretty awful.

But that’s not really relevant because the draft prognosticators making the Geno comparisons are comparing to present day Geno.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

Todd McShay has three comps for Sanders:

Tua
Geno Smith
Joe Burrow (ceiling)

Lots to like with those comps. Cam Ward unfortunately takes a lot of bad sacks. Not sure how coachable he is either. Obviously as a coaches son, Shedeur is going to be all ears.

The Browns will take whichever one Tenn passes on so I suggest you get comfortable with both. It doesn’t matter who you like better because we don’t have the choice. We take who falls to us.

The articles are written to generate engagement, and you're eating that bait hook, line and sinker.

This is also the guy who comped Zach Wilson to Patrick Mahomes, so let's pump the brakes a bit.

Comping any QB to Joe Burrow is a deeply unserious take. The only QB in the modern NFL that has the poise, pocket presence, and control over the game that Burrow has was Tom Brady.

 

[American Hero]

Can’t wait forever for the perfect QB prospect to come along though.

Because you know what happens while you’re waiting? A lot of losing.

If you get a top 2 pick next year, odds are that there's a top prospect there. It's rare two years miss in a row. This year is a miss for QBs, it is what it is.

You don't invest a number 2 pick in a guy who doesn't have an elite ceiling. You can find Geno Smiths, Sam Darnolds, Bakers without such an investment. Just sign a guy with potential like Daniel Jones for cheap

 

[DJTJ]

I watched the every throw of Jackson Dart vs SC. There’s a ton to like. But like Ward, ooooooh boy does he take some crazy risks.

I also cannot imagine him ever playing a full season. Dude will get smacked for a throw. Impressive trait, bad for team.

Wonder what he runs.

 

[American Hero]

The Browns are in a very poor position where the current people running the team pretty much have to scratch and claw for every win at the expense of a long term plan. Talking about floors and ceilings, they're essentially capping their ceiling to raise their floor short term. Investing a number 2 pick in a qb with limited upside isn't smart if you want to build a SB contender but if you need to win 8/9 games to keep your job then it is.

 

[CBBI]

If you get a top 2 pick next year, odds are that there's a top prospect there. It's rare two years miss in a row. This year is a miss for QBs, it is what it is.

You don't invest a number 2 pick in a guy who doesn't have an elite ceiling. You can find Geno Smiths, Sam Darnolds, Bakers without such an investment. Just sign a guy with potential like Daniel Jones for cheap

The appetite to tank another season just is not there organizationally. Not from ownership. Not from the front office. Not from the coaching staff. Not from the players.

I get you feel differently about that, and I am not suggesting whatsoever that you are completely without merit to feel that way, but at some point you have to accept the reality that they just aren’t going to do that and ultimately shift your perspective to what can actually be done that isn’t tank another season.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

These percentages and rankings are completely half baked, so don’t hold me to them, but this is kind of what I’m roughly thinking…

Sanders best case: 12th-14th best QB
Sanders worst case: 20th-22nd best QB

Ward best case: 8th-10th best QB
Ward worst case: total washout as starter

Sanders % chance of hitting best case: 40%
Sanders % chance of hitting worst case: 20%
Sanders % chance of somewhere in middle upper range: 20%
Sanders % chance of somewhere in middle lower range: 20%

Ward % chance of hitting best case: 10%
Ward % chance of hitting worst case: 40%
Ward % chance of somewhere in middle upper range: 10%
Ward % chance of somewhere in middle lower range: 40%

Again, these are half baked, but I do feel Sanders’ variance is much less wide than Ward’s is, and the odds of Sanders landing somewhere in the upper half of his projection is significantly higher.

But it’s also the top of the draft and I can understand swinging on upside there too.

Do you think the 12th best QB is going to be a viable strategy in a division with Burrow and Jackson

 

[CBBI]

Do you think the 12th best QB is going to be a viable strategy in a division with Burrow and Jackson

Does that really matter though?

Because the alternative is what?

Just accept that things are fucked, tank every year and hope a once in a decade talent falls in your lap at pick 1.1?

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

Can’t wait forever for the perfect QB prospect to come along though.

Because you know what happens while you’re waiting? A lot of losing.

Ehhh idk man. You also can’t settle for Geno Smith in the afc north

Because you know what happens after you’ve settled? A lot of mediocrity

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

Do you think the 12th best QB is going to be a viable strategy in a division with Burrow and Jackson

It depends what's around him.

Reducing everything down to the QB is boring.

The Lions are incredible. Goff isn't some elite QB.

The 49ers made two recent Super Bowls with a stacked team while just having Garoppalo and Purdy as the QB's.

The Rams made two recent Super Bowls with stacked teams and great coaching while dealing with a woefully limited Jared Goff and then trading for a Matt Stafford.

Getting a top-5 QB is obviously the cheat code, but it isn't the only way to win.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

Does that really matter though?

Because the alternative is what?

Just accept that things are fucked, tank every year and hope a once in a decade talent falls in your lap at pick 1.1?

You laid out the alternative

Swing for upside

In your hypothetical example with all the numbers you present honestly id probably take neither

I just hope you’re as bad at scouting as you were with predicting which starters would play week 18!

 

[CBBI]

Ehhh idk man. You also can’t settle for Geno Smith in the afc north

Because you know what happens after you’ve settled? A lot of mediocrity

So what’s the alternative?

Keep finishing dead last, fire everybody and hope Arch (who has all of 2 college starts and might not declare or even be good) is a stud this time next year?

 

[tristan+kyrie=$]

Get a solid QB on a rookie deal, once Watsond deal expires build a monster team around the guy,, profit

 

[CBBI]

The idea of tanking is a lot more appealing than the cold hard reality of actually tanking.

There’s no fast forward button. There’s no simulate to the end option like there is in a video game. It’s a long, brutal, soul crushing process.

Y’all couldn’t have forgotten the sheer misery of 2016 and 2017 already.

Telling people “yeah you’re not going to see a relevant football game for almost 3 years and you still might not come away with a long term solution at the QB position after slogging trough all that shit” isn’t exactly viable.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

It depends what's around him.

Reducing everything down to the QB is boring.

The Lions are incredible. Goff isn't some elite QB.

The 49ers made two recent Super Bowls with a stacked team while just having Garoppalo and Purdy as the QB's.

The Rams made two recent Super Bowls with stacked teams and great coaching while dealing with a woefully limited Jared Goff and then trading for a Matt Stafford.

Getting a top-5 QB is obviously the cheat code, but it isn't the only way to win.

The lions had a sting of draft picks that I don’t think Berry is capable of

Yes if we have the single best roster in the nfl 2-53 we can win with Geno Smith

We are not close to that and I don’t think we have the gm to get us there